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Fear The Walking Dead Season 4, Ep #8 Recap: No One’s Gone

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Fear The Walking Dead | Season 4, Episode 8 Recap – “No One’s Gone”

Rob Cesternino & Josh Wigler recap “No One’s Gone”, Season 4, Episode 8 recap of “Fear The Walking Dead”

  • aardvarkratnik

    I’m officially giving up on both of these stupid shows.

    • aardvarkratnik

      And where in the hell is Al getting all the diesel to keep that big gas guzzling swat truck running?

      • TrentC

        Yes and her mounted guns must take a specific caliber of ammo. Each burst we’ve seen must expend a couple hundred rounds.

  • I’m very upset that I did not remember to incorporate “I’m going to punch you in kooch” in to the podcast.

    • Lance Davis

      Rob–Maybe you should just shoehorn in an emergency “Feedback” podcast so that comedic GOLD material doesn’t have to go to waste…

    • TrentC

      *cooch*

      • Jimmy B

        Tomayto, vagina.

  • Charles Bikle

    Based on the disjointed way Season 4’s story was told, I knew that once it finished, it wouldn’t really make sense.

    One other point, when Ennis ran into Nick & Morgan, his guard should REALLY have been up, as he had just murdered Nick’s family/ppl at the Diamond. He should not have been surprised that Nick was going to try to kill him !

    • Matthew Murphy

      It’s annoying, the show thinks it’s so artsy when really it tends to fail at the most basic of stories.

    • TrentC

      I’m lost on the timing. Is that right?…Ennis and company had already burned and killed everyone at the diamond when he met Morgan and Nick at the place Nick died?

      If so, great point. He was far too unwary considering.

      • Charles Bikle

        Yeah, Nick was in the car watching the Diamond burn down and he even watched Ennis release the zombies from the trucks. If Nick had said to Morgan, “Hey that a-hole cold-bloodedly murdered my Mom and a stadium full of people !” i don’t think Morgan would’ve been as eager to stop Nick from killing Ennis.

        • Matthew Murphy

          That would require the season to be told in a non ridiculous order. Can’t have that.

          • TrentC

            To me, it was like a magician pulling back the little curtain and shouting Voila!

            and the rabbit is sitting there in plain view still stuck under the hat.

          • Matthew Murphy

            Perfect descriptIon.

      • XmanIce

        Wow I didn’t put that together. The story was so ass backward

  • Stylez

    I’m so disappointed in the direction they took the show. Kim Dickens playing Madison was the best part of the first three seasons of this show. Basically this half season was the show slowly letting us as views know, the clark clan is no longer the focus of this show and effectively we are restarting this show. Definitely a frustrating “payoff” for the finale.

    • Matthew Murphy

      Strand and Salazar were the best part of the show. To a large portion of the audience Madison’s passing is the greatest hope for the series. The whole Clark family has been a bust. The most frustrating part of the ending is that we don’t have a body and they could just say she crawled under the dumpster. The part thing about Madison was Rob’s impression.

      • Charles Bikle

        It’s possible that Salazar could return to the show (based on IMDB, he doesn’t seem too busy at the moment)

        • Matthew Murphy

          We didn’t see a body! He just got shot in the face but that was just a scratch.

          • TrentC

            Ruben Blades also plays some mean salsa. It’s too bad. Strand and Salazar as you mention were the best parts of the show. Until they put Salazar behind that idiotic curtain of mystery again and removed any teeth that Strand had.

          • Matthew Murphy

            Yeah Strand kinda has his wings clipped. Hopefully now he gets back to being great in the next half.

      • TrentC

        83% of the starting cast is gone. Why not just have a dam explode and drown everyone?

        Oh yeah…oops

      • Bry_Lander

        I’m thinking a cast of just Strand, Salazar, Morgan, and Dorrey would be a great show.

        • Matthew Murphy

          Could be phenomenal. With Rick leaving TWD this would have the potential to make Fear suprpass TWD. But instead we need Al to as everyone for their story and Alicia to be a character when she’s never been interesting. Kill the Clarks, save the world.

  • Jimmy B

    My take on the whole “little girl who killed Nick” thing- They realised that she did it out of revenge for him killing her protector, the guy who found her. Alicia was trying to do the same to anyone she came across that she felt was involved. There is hope for everyone, here, even Charlie. Mistakes were made, they have to prove that they can be better people or face a finger wagging from Morgan. That or Alicia is going to continue to try to murder her throughout the rest of the season.

    Regarding the bird story- it was to show that Nick and Alicia still had it in them to be those people, to care for another living being. At least, Madison hoped that they could and that she wanted more for them than all the killing, which is why she decided to live in the stadium and take people in. So her kids can be like that again and care.

    Alycia Debnam-Carey is now top billed, I can only assume that she will stay on for a while, unless the show runners have better ideas. Although, f*** them for killing Madison, frankly.

    Love the podcast as always 🙂

    • TrentC

      Madison was one of my favorite characters and actors from the show. Bit of a crush going too.

      I find myself backing away from this show, which at times can be enjoyable because of the huh? moments.

      Remember they were at the nice hotel and marched a hundred walkers off the pier into the ocean just offshore? And the next day someone was teaching Alicia to swim in the same area. HUH?

      It’s like they write an important scene and in the following weeks just forget about it. Or maybe the writer’s room has a revolving turnstile on it like the cast door.

      • Charles Bikle

        Minor stuff like that I’m OK with (figure the tide washed all the Walkers out to sea) and maybe it was longer than one day since the walkers walked off the pier ?

        • TrentC

          Minor…MINOR? The tide would have been throwing those still-moving deadites at the beach! They don’t drown you know.

          lol, okay I may have been little nit-picky there. I just try to put myself in the spot of the characters. You make hundreds of walkers dive into the surf and then it’s Beach Blanket Bingo time? No way Jose.

  • TrentC

    I’m going to echo some of Rob’s questions. I know we’re supposed to just sit back and enjoy. But when motivations become bizarre it bugs me.

    -Alicia needs to kill Naomi/Laura/June because she left?
    -Alicia needs to kill Al because she holds Al responsible for Mom dying?
    -Alicia and Nick had to rescue Mel because he was given a vehicle with gas and supplies, because he was in danger? That one action set an entire pivotal story piece into action and it was lousy.

    – Charlie killed Nick. Alicia’s brother and Luciana’s lover. During an apocalypse where relationships just might carry a higher premium. I don’t care if she’s a child. There’s no way she gets a new place of honor and safety, sitting in the shotgun seat no less in The Big-Shooty wagon.

    -I didn’t add up all of the banners indicating the number of undead captured, but I do know a little about 5 ton truck capacities. There is no way The Vultures herded and transported all of those walkers in their mini-caravan. It was a zombie clown car scenario.

    If the show is going to tell us what could be an interesting story in flashback format, I am fully onboard. However, when two of the main characters have apparently been killed during the short time period of one half season, please allow the characters to act within reasonable parameters.

    Mad-Alicia was cool for half a second. Until I realized she’s mad at NLJ (Naomi etc, etc) and Althea for some pretty thin reasons. In fact, Alicia is more angry at Naomi for leaving the literal burning building and saving herself, than she is at Charlie for killing her only brother. Oh and the actress playing Charlie is too pretentious and not very good. Sorry Charlie..

    • Matthew Murphy

      Alicia is her mother’s daughter. The writers are doing everything they can to make sure we don’t like her.

      • TrentC

        At first I found Alicia a little bland. Enjoyed her on The 100, notsomuch on FTWD. Then, she becomes a bit of a bad ass this season and instantly relents allowing Charlie to become one of The Scooby Gang.

        I’ve always felt there’s a good show/ideas under all of this, the world is literally open for anything. Yet the writers keep the possibilities of suspense or dare I say fear…thoroughly out of the viewer’s grasp by using poor and puzzling choices for the characters.

        • Matthew Murphy

          Yep. Poor writing is by far the shows greatest handicap.

  • TrentC

    I don’t think Madison is dead. The Talking Dead, Twitter comments are all subterfuge to encourage a buzz when she reappears in the back half of season four. It’s another Dumster (fire) distraction.

    Ok, come at me bros and bro’esses.

    • Matthew Murphy

      She’s no Glenn. A large portion of the viewers will be pissed If she comes back. The deaths on these shows mean nothing now. Just teases.

      • TrentC

        Despite your misgivings about Madison, I think the fan base liked her overall. Dillane asked to leave, she was told before the season started filming.

        I agree with your comment about deaths being maybe, maybe not on these shows. I see a marketing team looking at a board with FTWD characters and asking – Who is getting a good fan response and who needs to go.

        I could see them omitting Madison until the start of season five, then she makes a miraculous appearance because the numbers were down for the last half of season four.

        • Matthew Murphy

          The problem is that I don’t think Madison or any Clark family member can bring the ratings up. Good storyline and word of mouth can do that. If the Clark family was popular the show would be a smash hit instead of the red headed step child of the Walking Dead universe.

  • Edwin Johnson

    This might have been the worst half season of the entire TWD franchise.

    • Matthew Murphy

      I think season 1 of Fear was worse. The only good part was Tobias lol.

      • Edwin Johnson

        I enjoyed season 1 of Fear. In general I think Fear has been a consistently better product. I also know I’m in the minority on this.

        • Matthew Murphy

          Fair enough. I’m glad at least some people enjoyed it. The show has potential and I’ll say that. Would much rather a spin off in Europe or Asia.

  • TrentC

    No One’s Gone…

    …it’s right there in front of us. Madison lives!

  • Matthew Murphy

    So I just finished the podcast. Good stuff as always. Let me just say that Scott really Gimpled this season. His legacy remains in tact. You can tell the higher ups know that the Clark family isn’t bringing anyone to the show. In fact, I’d bet a large number of people watch in spite of the Clark family.
    This twist was bad for the Madison fans and even a buzzkill for those that don’t like her. We didn’t really see her die, which is the only appeal of the entire Clark family. They brought Morgan in to prop up this spin off that’s is about as good as Joey in terms of writing.
    Kim Dickens is a good actress but Madison is not a good lead. Alicia is written with even less ability. The major gaps in logic keep anyone from getting invested in her.
    Glad John Dory is still alive and I hope June is the last name we have to learn for Dharma. But it is my least favourite of her three names thus far.
    Al has really served her purpose and I hope she’s on the way out. It’s like writers write an insufferable character and think “gee who can play this role?” And then the next thing you know the phone of Maggie Grace’s agent is ringing off the hook.
    Do a time jump, get rid of Alicia, or at least ATTEMPT to explain her motivations once in a while.
    I just hope they pay Chris Hardwick extra during the Fear the Walking Dead season because he’s had to act as much as the main cast.
    The show can only go up from here (although with Gimple, we know if there’s a new low, he’ll find it). The Walking Dead proper may as well have ended last season, if Rick goes the show is over, I hope HBO does a more accurate adaption of the show one day.
    Fear The Walking Dead’s future is as bright as ever. We only have 3-4 dull characters (which is pretty good by Fear standards), but one of them is Luciana and she’s such a nothing character she barely even registers.
    As always, I hope next season is better and Scott Gimple is no where near it.

    • TrentC

      When I first saw Al during episode one in the SWAT vehicle, I thought – Finally. Here’s a character with…layers. I can understand Al wanting to hang onto something; the interviews being her primary focus. As Rob said though, everyone else is so reluctant to talk it’s become distracting. One would think that during the apocalypse stories become the only entertainment after no internet, TV, or books for years. Why not lie and just tell a story to get those yummy Ramen noodles? Food has gotta be like gold. The story of how I got to that point in time is less so.

      For me what ruins Al is the looming logic of how she exists in the SWAT vehicle. Maybe an episode showing how she acquired and maintains the vehicle? Otherwise it’s like a person who has keys to a jet and we’re just supposed to accept the fact they became a pilot and the jet saves them from time to time.

      Love John Dorie, only because he goes against typical casting. A character who is actually good and commits good acts. He offered someone a candy and I laughed out loud. Because it was so atypical of the typical broken people that we meet. Conversely his goodness paints a large target on his back. I keep waiting for him to get put in a bad spot and save someone. Speaking of which the way they handled/shot that scene when Alicia shot Dorie was muddled and confusing. Our intrepid podcasters took some heat not understanding the three seconds that transpired, which is a bad sign.

      I would like to see them retain the Madison/Alicia relationship. I think the mother daughter survivors who kill thing could go a long way. They almost got there with Nick and Madison, but frankly that got weird at times.

      Dharma-Naomi-Laura-June is a bright light that fizzled out for me. Good backstory and then we find her main attributes are that she leaves and she lies about her name. I guess they can save money on weekly guest stars using her.

      Agreeing on Rick leaving TWD. I’m a Daryl fan but Rob’s imitation of him mumbling is too close to the truth of how the actor handles most of his work. Not sure I can get engaged by three lines every four episodes muttered by our generation’s Clint Eastwood. There are already too many introspective people who don’t say much on both shows.

      Love your Hardwick comment 🙂

  • Bry_Lander

    This show is so annoying at this point. The writers keep having the characters behave ridiculously, most notably in 1) allowing threats like the Vultures to just linger around instead of confronting and resolving the threat and 2) valuing the wellbeing of those who do not deserve it and endangering allies to do so.

    They engage in these behaviors, even though they fly in the face of logic, and then they suffer immensely from acting in that manner. Every bad thing that happened to Madison’s group could have been prevented by just behaving logically. When the Vultures explain their presence or roll up with truckloads of walkers, open fire, kill all of them. Don’t rescue the leader of the Vultures, don’t send him out with a nice vehicle full of supplies, don’t go out and rescue him (none of that makes any sense). When Charlie betrays them, kill her the next chance you get (or at least exile her).

    So where is the logic in writing the story this way? It doesn’t make for a very compelling show, it is mostly just frustrating and unsatisfying.

    • TrentC

      The Vultures are a great example. “We’re going to camp here and just kinda hang out and wait around until you have to leave when you run out of supplies!” “We can wait real good, don’t test us!!”

      Even if Madison and company didn’t use their 47 guns to take potshots at those morons, who really wins after the wait? The people will leave because the location is empty and there are no more supplies!

      I’m getting emotional. But come on writers, it’s 2018 and you can do better.

      • Bry_Lander

        Right – all of that effort by the Vultures to gain…an empty stadium. I’m thinking empty stadiums are widely available in the zombie apocalypse, there is no need to squabble over this one.

        • TrentC

          If the writers can only come up with people like The Vultures as the latest human threats, they should probably return to writing about how the walkers can be scary.

          One of my favorite Walking Dead moments was when we suspected the people in Terminus were cannibals. They skirted the issue for the most part and never really committed to the full horror of the idea unfortunately. Other than the later Bob-B-Q scene which I thought was brilliant.

          The idea made sense, since food becomes more and more scarce, and it created a horrible moral dilemma for new people to the community.

          A band of roving cannibals a la Mad Max could go a long way in terms of terror and motivation.

  • DT73

    What happened to Ruben Blades. Is he not on the show anymore?