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Game of Thrones Feedback: The Door | Season 6, Episode 5

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  • Derek_Sye

    Regarding the scene in which Meera kills the White Walker. If it was as simple as Meera was using a magical spear then I feel like the director of the episode really dropped the ball. The shot directly before Meera kills the walker with the spear shows a child of the forest failing to kill that exact same walker with what looks like an identical spear. The only reason to have both of these shots is to alert the audience that something unusual is going on. I have to think that GoT is a high enough quality show that they wouldn’t just have these shots there for no reason.

    • @Wharfrat1625

      When the Child hits him with that spear she plants it right into his armor on his chest. She drops it and Meera picks up that same spear and instagibs WW in it’s exposed neck. I read that sequence as the Child using an obsidian spear tip, like the ones Jon found at the fist of the first men (Which I think is the location from the visions where the WW were created right?) but just being to physically weak to penetrate the armor. Meera’s able to kill him b/c she hits “flesh” with that same weapon.

      • Derek_Sye

        I can’t argue with you if you want to read the scenes like this, but I do feel that this would still be very sloppy direction. What benefit is there in the shot where the child of the forest fails? Are we supposed to be learning that they are physically weak?… seems sort of pointless when their species is wiped out minutes later in the episode. Additionally, it would make the children of the forest look pretty stupid if they didn’t realize that they needed to hit exposed flesh after being around the walkers for thousands of years.

        • @Wharfrat1625

          Very fair point. I do think it’s a weak moment in an otherwise well crafted episode. I know Mazzaro thinks it’s a gross omission of critical information if the children are sitting on these obsidian spear tips and at no point tell anyone they have weapons that can be used against the White Walkers and I totally agree with that sentiment.

          • Derek_Sye

            I’m still holding out hope that these scenes weren’t a misstep. Assuming the children of the forest [CoTF] don’t have weapons that would normally kill white walkers, the decision of the CoTF to attack the white walker would be one made out of desperation. She would essentially be throwing herself in the path of the walker with no hope of actually killing it. The fact that Meera would then be able to successfully kill the walker with the same weapon might indicate something about her that we have not yet discovered on the show.

          • umrules06

            Are we sure it was the exact same spear? I didn’t think it was at first watch. The Walker slams it down right in front of him and Meera is a good distance away when she picks up her new spear and throws it. Remember at the end of season three when Bran and company met Sam/Gilly at the wall they were given a few pieces of dragonglass to use by Sam. I had just assumed that Meera had crafted a few of those arrowtips onto spears somewhere along the way.

          • NatalieKuchik

            That is the dragonglass that Sam gave to them – I just watched the episode, and it’s the exact same shape / color as the dragonglass. They probably made weapons out of them (spears / bows for Meera’s bow and arrow, etc).
            I just don’t think people remember that 60 second scene with Sam giving them all the dragonglass in a season that aired 3 years ago. I just watched that season over again, so it’s fresh in my mind, otherwise I would be confused too.

  • GeekFurious

    I haven’t been able to function this whole week while I waited for this!

    • Brendan Fitzpatrick

      That’s how I feel about Book Club until it comes out…

  • Angie

    Hodor/Summer/Children of the Forest? are totally coming back as Wights! Remember what they did with Rob Stark’s/Grey Wind’s head- they’re sadists running this show…and, remember what was said about Hodor in that first TT scene, that one day he would make an excellent fighter…

    • Derek_Sye

      The only reason I don’t think we will see them come back as walkers is that it would lessen the impact of this episode. It was a very powerful farewell to a beloved character and I don’t think the show runners would want to lessen that by trotting him out again as a cheap plow.

      • Angie

        Dude they sewed Grey Wind’s head onto Rob’s body and sang “King of the North,” just as Arya and the Hound happened on to the road. The fact that they mentioned how great a fighter Hodor would have been is clear foreshadowing….

        • Derek_Sye

          Grey Wind was great, but his death wasn’t nearly on the scale of Hodor’s. This was pretty easily one of the top 2 emotionally impactful moments in the entire series. Not saying it is impossible that we would see him again, but I would say it isn’t likely.

        • Derek_Sye

          That was a revolting scene, but it served a purpose. It gave us a scene where one of the main protagonists of the show was able to react to the incident that only we, the audience, had born witness. I don’t really see how anything similar could happen with Hodor. Brann is the only main character with whom he has had close contact and Brann was already there to witness the events.

          • @Wharfrat1625

            Bran was tapped out greenseeing though. He certainly will know what went down, but to actually SEE with his eyes the repercussions of his actions would have a lot of impact. I’m super curious how this one plays out.

          • Derek_Sye

            Yeah, it could go either way. I just feel like the Brann realization that we got in this episode, that his actions had not only caused Hodor’s death, but had stolen away most of his life, was far more impactful than running into a zombified Hodor later in the series could ever be.

  • @Wharfrat1625

    I may be reading it wrong, but as for Arya, I really believe the test is whether or not she will kill the actor playing Ned. The question of her following through on her mission and killing the Cersei actress is part of it, but as she watches the play and sees them dragging her father’s name and reputation through the dirt you can visibly watch her entire reaction change. She’s delighted to see Baratheon’s and Lannisters portrayed as incompetent morons, but when Ned appears she gets bent. Jaqen has to know she’s going to see this depiction of her father and get salty AF about it. Feels to me like the question is if she can stifle personal feelings and do her job, or if she will once again let her past influence her choices.

    On a related note, it’s safe to assume Cersei is the one who hired the faceless men to kill this actress right? We saw Cersei saying she wants anyone, no matter where they are, who is mocking her to pay for it with their lives. When Arya is asking Jaqen who hired them for the job he shuts her down. The idea that she could literally be doing Lannister dirty work makes the mission that much more complex for her.

    • Brendan Fitzpatrick

      I need to rewatch, cause I did not pick up on it that way in regards to Ned. That’s an intersting take…

      • @Wharfrat1625

        I’m 100% convinced the choice is about her emotional response to the Ned actor weighed against her obligation to the faceless men.

  • Joel Rainey

    I know this is hard to to think of but I believe Sansa might be pregnant,does she keep the Bolton name and keep the north for herself. Plus I think Sansa is still a stupid little girl the way she treated Littlefinger is more like how her parents would act. Shouldn’t she play him and have him seige Moat Callin and make Ramsey look south

  • J-me not Hi-me

    In response to the question at 42:02 “Is there any reason to believe Littlefinger is lying to Sansa…”

    Well, his lips are moving.

    • susan appleby

      He left her with Ramsey Bolton. I have no doubt he’s lying to her.

    • Liar is Littlefinger nickname

  • I have a question for the GOT experts.
    Why did Jaqen H’ghar tell Arya that a life must pay for a life, and punished her, when she killed Ser Pedophiliac Trent, if they accept to kill people for money ?

    • BearMustaine

      Arya wants to be a faceless man..that means she has to become no one, she is not supposed to have any thoughts of revenge for people in her past cause that means she is still someone..faceless men are assassins who take lives for their God without personal feeling or emotion.

      • Arya broke the faceless men rule and she paid for her “human frailty”.
        But then, if the faceless men kill only for their God, how can you hire them ? You should offer them something…Or is it someone ?

    • Derek_Sye

      I am not at all certain that the price that Jagen talks about is money.

      • I always thought that the faceless men were a sort of hitmen.

        How could you hire them if not with money?

        • susan appleby

          You have to give up what you hold most dear. Like the man who wants his rival killed so he can succeed so he has to give them his son.
          Similar to Stannis killing Shireen to get what he wanted.

    • @Wharfrat1625

      The idea is that when they accept a contract, that individual has been selected to die by the many faced god. To let them live is to deny their god his due.

      It ties back to Jaqen’s introduction to the show. Arya saves the 3 men in the cage from burning to death and in turn Jaqen says he must return those deaths taken from the many faced god. He lets her choose who they will be. It’s a very twisted sense of balance that I don’t think is entirely equitable. Death must pay for life. Like everyone else on Thrones, their “code” is fallible and not applied consistently.

      • Makes sense. Their God is a kind of a soul reaper. Faceless men need to feed him continually. And if they promise him a death they need to honor this pledge one way or another.

        did I get it right ?

  • Ty Bryan DeWitt

    In response to the feedback show question that either Josh or Rob asked. The question was something along the lines of “What benefit is there if Yara and Dany team up?” I think it’s an amazing pair up. Yara said in her speech “They (other holds in Westeros) don’t take us seriously. They don’t see us as powerful.” If Yara helps Dany get across the sea and fight along side her. The Greyjoys could end up getting a lot of power when Dany takes over.

    • Brendan Fitzpatrick

      I feel like the Benefit is, Dany Gets Ships, and a powerful alliance with a female leader who she knows isn’t just using her to marry her like a male partnership proposal might do..

      • Ty Bryan DeWitt

        Exactly!

        • @Wharfrat1625

          I’m with Brendan on this for sure. Worth noting that even if Yara wasn’t a woman, the Greyjoy’s motivation is really as simple as beating Euron to the punch and snatching his prize up before he can.

  • Ty Bryan DeWitt

    Who is really in charge of the house of Black and White? Arya was told once that the many face God speaks and asks for a life and they give it. But when Arya asked who wants the actress dead, he said “someone has paid the price.” Sooooo are they hired killers or servants of a God?

    • susan appleby

      Pretty sure they are hired Assasins. There is some wasted way that also makes them servants of God. I don’t understand it.

    • @Wharfrat1625

      They are both. They serve their God, at least in part, by acting as hired

      killers.

  • Paul Borges
  • Angie

    Rewatching this episode- it’s all about history, yes, but also shows how history is/has been twisted. The legacy of Ned Stark seems–across the Narrow Sea at least–to be one of a power hungry buffoon, which is contrary in every way, to the truth of his character, which makes me wonder what else has been misconstrued, how else has history been distorted? The Children created the White Walkers, who became so powerful that the Children had to forge an alliance with Men in order to defeat them….well, maybe not? All “Leaf,” said was they they made the White Walkers, but nothing about what happened later.

  • NatalieKuchik

    In regards to why the Ironborn want to team up with Dany – I think it goes back to that conversation Yara has with her dad in episode 2. She says “We’ll never hold land and castles against mainland armies” Yara is probably going to propose: If they give Dany ships, Yara wants more land to rule in return. She’s sick of them not being able to keep land that they get by “paying the iron price” because it always gets taken back from mainland armies.