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The Walking Dead Season 8, Ep #8 Recap | How It’s Gotta Be

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The Walking Dead Season 8, Episode 8 Recap of “How It’s Gotta Be”

Rob Cesternino and Jessica Liese recap Season 8, Episode 8 of “The Walking Dead”, “How It’s Gotta Be”.

  • Morty

    Aargh, the tactical idiocy of people that are at war with other people all the time and have survived the apocalypse this long drives me insane in this show. The girl in Dwight’s car was right, stop and bail out immediately upon first sign of even a possible ambush.

    But Maggie had to calmly drive her crew right into it and then sit patiently in their cars until their ambushers drove up to them. They should have been out and in the roadside ditches as soon as they saw the tree, then into the woods, if they survived the bail-out. The show makes it seem they would have. Hell, given how few saviors there seemed to be, they could have opened up from inside their cars and stood a good chance of a fair number of their own surviving! At least a few! Damn!

    Also, Rick had the bat, and drives it into Negan’s chest??? Hit him hard over the head! It won’t kill him, but it will take the fight out of him, so Rick can kill him at his leisure. SMH…

    I’ll miss Rick saying “Coral,” but I won’t miss Coral.

    • TrentC

      I was trying to let some things go in this episode…yes Maggie’s people just sitting there, Rick not finishing Negan…enough leftover Saviors to take over the Kingdom (?) when Gavin was giving the speech there.

      If you’re going to change the entire complexion of a plot and just yada yada over it, viewers may drop off. Savior’s compound was overrun with walkers, walkers were flooding into the building, Eugene had already failed with his 3 decibel iPod attempt (thanks Jessica)…and we’re supposed to buy that they somehow got rid of that army of walkers, got organized and did the three pronged attack within a few hours? Starting to remind me of FTWD…

      • J-me not Hi-me

        I was okay with the quickness of the three-pronged attack. It just confirmed yet again how much better prepared and organized the Saviors are.

        • J-me not Hi-me

          Hit send too soon! I wasn’t surprised to learn the Saviors had a contingency plan for what to do in the face of the rebellion. I was more shocked that the Alexandrians finally thought to come up with an evacuation plan and rendezvous point.

        • Bry_Lander

          It seems to me that while Negan actually has important meetings with his lieutenants and carefully prepares for most contingencies, Rick (and Ezekiel) give intense, overly-dramatic and emotional speeches trying to motivate their people but largely do little to prepare them for the actual war.

          • XmanIce

            The problem is that Rick’s people don’t listen. If he leaves them alone longer than 30 minutes they all go off on their own half ass adventures.
            Negan’s people are obidient, smart, and follow direction. Negan’s a prick but he’s a much better leader than Rick will ever be.

            And Rick should have let Daryl use that dynamite and weapons to blow up the sanctuary.

        • TrentC

          Yeah but how? lol!

          Did they facetime on their iPhones? Send faxes? The ol tin cans on a string set up?

          I may have got the scenes confused, but wasn’t it three separate attacks on three locations involving people who weren’t at the Savior compound to begin with?

      • Morty

        The thing is the writers obviously know that allowing Maggie to drive her crew right up to the roadblock, stop, and wait for her ambushers to arrive was stupid. They’re the ones that had Dwight’s girl telling him to stop NOW because there’s a sign of trouble ahead!

        They know what they have Rick’s supposedly battle-hardened crew doing is all kinds of stupid, yet they have them do it anyway!

    • Bry_Lander

      Right, how many times do you need to be ambushed before you establish a plan for countering it? Maybe send a single vehicle well ahead of the convoy to scout and discover ambushes and/or clear debris from the road, instead of just allowing the entire convoy to be lined up nicely to be used as target practice? Perhaps have a reaction plan, ie, be ready to exchange fire with the enemy if you get stopped? Rick’s group deserves to lose for being tactically illiterate.

      • Morty

        See my post to Trent above. The writers even know what they’re doing is dumb, but they still do it!

    • Andiamo

      Having Maggie just sit there waiting for the ambush was stupid, but not quite as dumb as the stalling they had Jesus do by trying to convince her that trees fall naturally.

      The one thing I did like was Maggie asking for the coffin because she already knew she was going to take someone out when she got back to Hilltop. And shooting that dude after he called her a cupcake made me happy. I was having some feelings for Maggie in this episode, I’m not gonna lie.

      I’m glad they killed Carl instead of Judith, because while I don’t care about Carl, I can at least believe that the other characters do. I am thankful we will never have to see that damned hat again. If they put that dirty thing on Judith I’m going to lose my mind.

      • TrentC

        How dare you. Carl Grimes was an eye-con of the show..

        So now we are left with Judith, Baby Gracie and Maggie’s unborn spawn. (she must be in her 7th trimester by now)

        That’s a lot of little spuds to be running around in the Walking Dead world. Spin off with Michonne as a babysitter for hire? working title – Katana-Nanny!

        • Morty

          I actually guessed we would lose Maggie at the beginning of the show. Oh well…

          Glad I was wrong in this case!

          • TrentC

            I mentioned the same thing a few podcasts back. There were going to be too many babies in that world and I thought it would be a method to twist the knife a little deeper post-Glenn.

            Maggie looked mean this episode. We need to see her put the boots to Negan and then use Lucille on him.

          • Morty

            She was mad at herself for the roadblock idiocy.

          • TrentC

            Maggie – That tree has cut marks on it
            Jesus – It happens in nature sometimes
            Maggie – There are 10 cars, 1000 feet behind us
            Jesus – Just stay in the car and don’t move
            Maggie – We are invisible

            Trent – *throws cheesy snacks at TV in rage*

          • Bruce Pierce

            The only time I’m enjoying this show anymore is when Negan is in it.

        • Pink Pearl

          I want this as an animated series ala Muppet Babies. Michonne is only ever visible as a pair of gore-stained boots and the tips of sheathed katanas.

      • Morty

        Ugh, it was all stupid. Bail out and deploy into the trees as soon as they see the headlights behind them even. They seemed to have time for that, too.

        “Oh Golly, We calmly drove into a trap battle-experienced people like us should have sussed out immediately. Well, Darn, let’s just sit quietly and wait for Negan’s guys to drive up to us and then patiently surround us while we do nothing…even though cover and concealment are maybe 30-40 feet to our right.”

      • Bruce Pierce

        I want a walker to bite Chris Hardwick now.

        • Andiamo

          But who would deliver his overly dramatic eulogy?

  • Mark Rodriguez

    I’m pretty sure that Carl was bitten while fighting walkers with Siddiq. That was just earlier that same day. I guess it’s taking a long time for Carl. There was no other time that Carl was involved with a walker after that, that I recall.

    • J-me not Hi-me

      I feel like Carl confirmed this: didn’t he say something like “I brought him here; that’s when it happened,” {reveals bite.}

      As for how long it takes to turn, that’s something else they’ve always been vague about. Bob had at least two days, whereas Sophia must’ve turned almost immediately to get lost, get bitten, die, and then be rounded into Hershel’s barn.

      • TrentC

        Gotta give Jessica props for outlining the exact method in which we discover a main character has been bitten.

        Start to appear pallid and sweaty, raise or pull up/down the shirt slowly, expose bite marks, then say so long it’s been fun.

        For turning times please refer to this handy guide: (note times are based on a 1200 watt turning time and may vary)

        Close relative to Daniel Salazar from FTWD – 10 seconds
        Father in law in wedding from FTWD – 60 seconds
        Andrea’s sister Amy – 6 hours
        Carl – 18 hours
        Bob-B-Q – 2 days

        • Morty

          Bob had a cast-iron constitution apparently.

          • TrentC

            Too bad he disagreed with the guy who ate him. Hahahaha….ahem, yeah.

  • TrentC

    Enid gave Carl the love bite, he’ll be fine.

    • Matthew Murphy

      Her name is “Dine,” backwards! You might be on to something as far as awful Walking Dead writing goes.

      • TrentC

        lol….Hey when you have time find a picture of Michelle Schubert from Survivor Millennials vs Gen X.

        Isn’t Enid a mini-version of her?

        • Matthew Murphy

          Pretty much, just less religious, unless JSS becomes a religious in the ZA.

  • J-me not Hi-me

    I just want to recognize the awesomeness of Carl using a smoke bomb to disappear, ala Batman.

    (I actually haven’t listened to the podcast because I cannot cope with the rest of what happened to Carl yet, so if this was addressed I apologize.)

    • TrentC

      *raises glass of chocolate pudding and pours one out for Carl*

      I thought the actor was rather flat, yet can’t believe they’re going to kill off the character.

      • Morty

        I won’t miss him, but I hope it turns Rick into a psycho. Psycho Rick is my favorite.

    • Bruce Pierce

      And where did all of those smoke grenades and endless supply of bullets come from I keep wondering?

      • Andiamo

        I don’t know about the bullets, but the smoke grenades came from the Saviors warehouse where they were repairing the Fat Lady. (It was one of the very few things I can understand about the episode.)

        • J-me not Hi-me

          Jerry, Rick and Carol were driving three separate cars. Headed, presumably, to the Hilltop, Alexandria and the Kingdom respectively. When Carol and Jerry picked Rick up they suggested getting the lookouts cars, assuming the lookouts hadn’t already taken them, to which Rick responded “I don’t think they got out.”

          • Andiamo

            Thanks! Guess I missed that.

  • WHATROBWILLNOTSAY

    How did the Saviors turn the tables on Rick’s side this quickly and decisively? Weren’t they in a desperate situation at the end of the last episode?

    • XmanIce

      I was confused about how the heck all of the Saviors got out and organized also. I still don’t don’t understand how that happened other than typical walking dead writing BS.

      • WHATROBWILLNOTSAY

        Comics books jump from frame to frame and leave it to the reader to fill in the gap, but this is TV and if they had a t a minimum shown the Saviors setting up meeting points to take revenge. But they gave us nothing.

  • Bry_Lander

    A few observations:

    1) How is it that Negan failed to notice the solar panels when he visited Alexandria several times in the past during the day, but then suddenly realized they were there in the middle of the night in the midst of a lot of smoke and fire?

    2) Rick gets tossed out the window by Negan and lands outside of the house, still carrying his pistol. Then Negan comes to look out the window and offers an amazing silhouette that Rick could have easily shot. But he decided to run…

    3) Rick is a great candidate for the zombie apocalypse “Father of the Year”, in goofing around with the garbage people while his son is getting a fatal bite wound from walkers. Add to that a nomination for “Leader of the Year”, in goofing around with the garbage people while Eugene came up with a plan for springing the Saviors from the compound and Negan gained the upper hand. Rick spent hours of time naked in a garbage heap prison when critical events were happening and gained nothing (so far). Rick is a world class bonehead.

    4) The drama regarding the exodus of Carl is ridiculous (and one of the reasons why the Talking Dead is damn near unwatchable). Chandler Riggs had an amazing run on the show and will be moving on to other things, characters come and go on TWD, this isn’t Happy Days, Friends, or Seinfeld. The larger problem I have is with the severing of Carl as perhaps the most important comic character and the future of the story, this may be the most inexplicable character arc alteration between the comic and the show.

    5) I think this was touched upon during the PSR, but why exactly would Simon allow Maggie to return to the Hilltop unsupervised?

    6) Why is Gabrielle left totally unguarded (a doctor’s supervision doesn’t count)?

    • Morty

      #4 I’m sure Chandler Riggs wanted out of the show for some reason, so they had to write him out.
      #5 Maggie shouldn’t have been in the situation in the first place!

    • XmanIce

      4) Chandler Riggs is a terrible actor. He’ll finish the movie he’s working on and never be seen or heard from again other than conventions.

      5) Who else can run the Hill Top? Definitely not Gregory. I’m pissed she shot the wrong dang hostage savior.

      6) Gabrielle doesn’t seem to need a guard. He looks near death.

      And Eugene better die next season.

      • TrentC

        So is that the scoop? Carl got a job in a movie and figures he’s an actor now? No offense to the Carl-Army, but he’s going to look back at the roller skating scene and remember it fondly as some of the best work he’s ever done..

        • XmanIce

          EW.com has an interview with Chandler. He had no idea he would be killed off. He was looking forward to following Carl’s comic book arc. He and his parents got the news in june about his death.

          • TrentC

            Thanks. I may not appreciate the actor…still, when it’s not your choice that’s brutal. And his character died because he helped an unknown cast member get into Alexandria? Double helping of brutal. That’s like training a new staff member at work and getting laid off because they just took your job.

      • Bry_Lander

        4) Whether intentionally or otherwise, Riggs’ portrayal of Carl is exactly what I would expect of a kid who was raised in the zombie apocalypse. He has that detached, weary, disengaged, PTSD suffering sort of personality of one who has undergone an overwhelming amount of trauma in his life (getting shot, losing an eye, losing his mother and having to shoot her, seeing friends murdered and/or devoured before his eyes, having flesh eating monsters attacking him consistently, etc.). Being a bubbly, dynamic teen would not be plausible under the circumstances.

        5) Negan should send Simon or one of his other flunkeys up there to ensure that sorghum continues to flow and that his POWs aren’t being executed.

        • XmanIce

          Carl has been hard headed the entire series. He was always wondering off by himself and doing the opposite of what he’s told. In the zombie apocalypse that just doesn’t make sense to me

        • Bruce Pierce

          I wouldn’t call Simon a flunkey.

          • TrentC

            So can we assume that Simon is the guy that Negan took over from? When Negan chastised Simon in that meeting room scene, he asked something like ‘we’re not backsliding here are we?’, implying going back to an older time when Simon ran the Saviors?

          • Bruce Pierce

            I didn’t take it that way, I see Simon to Negan as Darell is to Rick. Definately not a lackey.

  • Charles Bikle

    So things were running TOO smoothly, so Aaron & Enid had to go on a roadtrip to rile up the Oceanside ladies…

    • TrentC

      You know the Garbage Gang and Oceanside Gals are going to decide how this whole thing plays out…and I will probably cry.

      I would take a 50 minute fist fight between Rick and Negan in front of everyone, rather than a three episode shoot em up with a cast of thousands. That I don’t know or care about.

  • belinda

    honestly, the group is just so dumb that at this point, really they should’ve just surrendered to Negan to begin with and likely be much better off.

    • XmanIce

      Eugene agrees with you, lmao

  • Matthew Murphy

    Did anyone notice in last weeks episode that the truck disappeared momentarily for the walkers to get into the Sanctuary? The truck is completely gone when the walkers are first entering.

  • Matthew Murphy

    I legitimately might not watch an Oceanside episode with Enid and Aaron. Hopefully the continue with the episodes involving multiple communities. Enid is so useless. The only way she’d be interesting would be to make her Negan’s daughter, but we’ve be already seen her parents die.

    • XmanIce

      Oceanside has to be better than the garbage people. I keep thinking there will be a big payoff with the garbage people but with the show writing, probably not.

  • Bry_Lander

    Here is an alternate fate for Carl that would have made more sense. Carl is just disgusted with Rick, with their differences in the morality of killing and in welcoming strangers, and knows that they cannot coexist any longer. He finds Enid and convinces her to sneak off and leave the group on their own. They secretly pack up and just disappear. The last we see of them is driving off together.

    1) This preserves the Carl character for use later, if TWD ever gets show-runners that respect the integrity of the product and don’t arbitrarily kill off characters in meaningless ways.

    2) It provides Rick with a similar “wake up call” as having Carl actually die. He still loses Carl. Perhaps Carl leaves a long letter condemning Rick for his actions and urging him to be merciful, and then that ties the plot in to the comic where Rick imprisons Negan rather than executing him and allows the Saviors to merge with his survivors. Of course this happened in the comic without Carl’s death, so Gimple citing his death as a necessary catalyst for “Rick’s mercy” is silly.

    3) Carl leaving the group also provides options for a FTWD crossover. Maybe Carl, Enid, and Morgan end up linking up and then crossing paths with the FTWD group instead of just Morgan.

    For the record, I’m not necessarily upset because a character died, it is the ZA and it would be ridiculous if everyone survived. However, the death should make sense, it should honor the comic as much as possible, and it should serve some purpose in advancing the plot. Carl’s (impending) death does none of this, it is just killing a character for the sake of killing him and Gimple establishing his own direction for the series by diverging radically from the comic.

  • sunny

    and i’m done. peace out TWD. this season has sucked, nothing happened, and now, when the point of this whole “war” is handed to you (killing neegan, with his own GD bat for f’s sake!), you don’t do it? agree with commenter below that our “good guys” should be smarter than all of this at this point. the only reason to continue watching for me would be just to see how each of the stars die but there’s too much good tv out there to watch to continue giving this one time. i’l wait for spoilers and then go back to watch episodes after for future bombshells

  • DT73

    Is there something wrong with my TV? I know a lot of the action on this mid season finale (8TH episode of a 16 episode season ) was taking place in the dark. But it was so poorly lit (as seen on my TV) I could not tell what was going on. The commercials (which approached half the allotted

    time for the broadcast) were lit just fine. Anybody else have this problem?

  • Bruce Pierce

    Really annoying, I have no idea how Negan’s people got out of the sanctuary. Oh well, at least we won’t have to look at that droopy kid and his stupid cowboy hat anymore. I thought he was supposed to have some sort of relationship with Negan though so I don’t know what they’re doing here. I wasn’t really impressed with this season, hope the next one is better and ties up some loose ends or I might just pack it in. You can only ride season ending cliff hangers for so long. And what the hell happened to the garbage people? They just disappeared. And where is all the gasoline coming from, and engine oil, and the endless supply of bullets, and how is it that all these places seem to have electricity even though all of the power grids in the entire are not working anymore?