The Walking Dead

Walking Dead Season 7, Episode 13 Recap | Bury me Here

  • Edwin Johnson

    The Negan with the Nic Cage profile, told everyone to back away when Morgan was killing Sir Dick. For the F’s, Y’s, and I’s.

  • Edwin Johnson

    Prediction: Jealous Jared runs into whats-her-face the ex Negan/Dwight wife, then Morgan or Carol save her.

  • realtrinilostgirl2007

    Weevils are real insects that if you left your grains,such as rice or flour unprotected they will eat it.

    • Adam Bradford

      Alas, even sorghum is no match for the mighty weevil.

      • Matthew Murphy

        Nor is the wheat or the barley.

        • Charles Bikle

          If only someone had drawn up a hastily drawn map of how and where to store perishable grains.

  • Reynaldo Hernandez Aponte

    Matilde Rosero?

  • TrentC

    Agreeing with Josh, the scene where Morgan kills Sir Richard doesn’t make sense. No one even attempts to stop him from The Kingdom? Morgan knows about four of his former friends dying at Negan’s hands, yet he doesn’t flip out. His new acquaintance gets shot and that unhinges Morgan to the point where he strangles someone with his bare hands?

    Agreeing with Rob, all of Sir Richard’s plans seem dependent on a complex murder set up. If he wanted to commit death by cop, why didn’t he just walk up to a Savior and start stabbing him? This is reminding me of Lost, everyone has a plan, no one is talking to each other.

    Agreeing with Alex, because he usually says agreeable things.

    • Tim Forbes

      How are Glenn and Abraham friends of Morgan? He knows and has spent a lot more time with Benjamin than he has with them. It is clear that he saw his son in Benjamin. He was barely in Alexandria.

      The reason Richard didn’t just start stabbing a Saviour, is because he wanted Ezekiel and the Kingdom to see how unjust and twisted the Saviours are and how they are the ones that are provoking a war. If Richard starts killing a saviour and then the Saviours respond, then Ezekiel isn’t going to see it that way, he’ll just think Richard started and deserved it.

      The writing in the show (in this episode anyway) isn’t as bad as people make out sometimes and actually makes morse sense when you actually think about it.

      • TrentC

        Not sure on Morgan’s time frame in Alexandria. I would assume he knew Glenn and Abraham as part of Rick’s main group of friends.

        Benjamin’s death was a fluke result of Richard’s plan not working. Richard explained he intended to blamed for the missing fruit, and then expected to be killed because of it. So when Morgan loses control and kills him, the blame is little misplaced. It seemed like a lot to me, as Morgan understood on some level that Richard never intended for anyone else to get hurt.

        Either the writing makes sense to you or it doesn’t. If a scene feels forced or the motivations untrue, it takes you out of the story.

        And just because a scene doesn’t work for one person, but it works for you, I don’t consider that people looking for stuff to criticize. The Morgan scene was jarring because he held his control through things like The Wolves killing people in Alexandria, all of the time and events since Eastman, and when he found out about his friends or acquaintances (however you want to term it) who were beaten to death with a baseball bat.

        Regarding Richard, I probably wasn’t clear but what I found odd was the fact no one on the side of The Kingdom tried to defend Richard when Morgan started killing him right in front of everyone. Using your terms of time=stronger friendship, Ezekiel and company knew and lived with Richard for how long? And how long did they know Morgan? So they just let this new guy kill one of their trusted members without a word of explanation? It didn’t ring true for me.

        • Tim Forbes

          Regarding the Richard death scene, when Morgan starts strangling him, you can hear the Saviours aim and cock their guns at either them or at Morgan. I am guessing they didn’t move in case the Saviours started shooting them.

    • belinda

      I kinda think it’s testament to how bad Richard’s rep is even amongst people in the Kingdom, in that Morgan, a relative newcomer to their group, has garnered more trust and respect that they’d be like ‘ok, morgan’s strangling richard – must be for a good reason since Richard’s an idiot/hothead/etc’. And Richard was, considering all of the harebrained plans we’ve been privy to thus far, so I’m also not too surprised by how ridiculously complex and dumb his plan was in the first place.

      I can understand Morgan flipping out though. It wasn’t his first time flipping out on the show, so there’s a history there; and of the little we’ve seen of the kingdom and morgan, there is an established father-son type relationship with benjamin, his brother and Morgan (which wasn”t the case with Glenn or Abraham). He was teaching them every day, basically being like their dad really. Like, sure, it could have benefitted from some more building up to it, but ultimately I’m not really surprised by Morgan’s flipping out because he’s always been a little that way on the show.

      • TrentC

        ‘…a relative newcomer to their group, has garnered more trust and respect
        that they’d be like ‘ok, morgan’s strangling richard – must be for a
        good reason since Richard’s an idiot/hothead/etc’.

        This was the part I didn’t buy. They allow the murder of a member of their group, when the Kingdom professes peace and renewal? It starts to fall apart for me right there.

        Yes Morgan has a history with breaks from reality, but in my view the cause of the break should be something more meaningful, like Carol or Rick’s death.

        • belinda

          But it was clear that Morgan (or for that matter, Carol) was already more trusted and respected by Ezekiel than Richard way before this episode and Richard’s death. Richard’s like basically a foot soldier doing food deliveries, whereas Morgan gets to be almost in the inner circle of Ezekiel’s men. And I feel like given the Carol situation (of which the others in the community should be HUGELY suspicious of this woman who they cured and subsequently she then leaves only to live close by in a house, almost like a spy, but they’re not at all, treats her like a VIP, just because Ezekiel trusts and likes her), I don’t think it feels OOC of the kingdom group in general to basically just default everything to Ezekiel’s judgement. So because Ezekiel didn’t react in that moment, they don’t either. And that if I were to question why the group didn’t react to Richard being strangled by Morgan in that moment, I’d probably have questioned earlier in the season where Morgan and Carol basically gets inducted into Ezekiel’s trusted circle even though they’ve been there for basically a second. I never got the sense that Richard was ever in that inner sanctum, not the way Jerry(? the pie guy) is, for example, or Carol and Morgan.

          I think because of Morgan’s history with his family, I think I buy it more that his break came from Benjamin, someone he was looking after like a son, rather than Carol or Rick actually, despite him knowing them far longer.

          • TrentC

            Still, a person from your community is being strangled right in front of you without any explanation or preamble. It’s justifiable because Richard is less of a person than Morgan in The Kingdom’s Trust Cluster?

            Agreeing with what you mentioned about earlier in the season when Carol and Morgan were welcomed instantly into the inner trust circle. That plays significantly into my problem with the Morgan arc. It’s a whole different world out there now and trust comes instantly? Over and above an established member of the kingdom who is responsible enough to handle weekly food drops to Negan and is part of Ezekiel’s inner court proceedings?

            Not buying it, but do understand some of your points.

          • belinda

            I guess it’s not that Richard is ‘less of a person’, it’s that Ezekiel trusts Morgan and thus knows him not to be someone who just randomly decides to kill Richard without reason. If Morgan, the guy who’s been on the no killing train ever since Ezekiel met him, is actively strangling the guy (after a harrowing afternoon of Ben dying especially), and that to Ezekiel, Richard’s been sort of wavering and not being a team player, etc, then in that moment Ezekiel felt like there had to be a reason that was justifiable in Morgan’s eyes, and thus was ok with waiting until after for an explanation.

            So basically I don’t think them letting Morgan kill Richard first and providing the reason after is honestly a stretch from what’s been happening this season with all the kingdom stuff, in terms of the kingdom mentality (which is to follow Ezekiel) and who Ezekiel trusts more; I think it falls exactly in character with what we know about the Kingdom. However, whether or not the whole concept of the kingdom this season is a stretch overall – then yeah I can see why one wouldn’t buy it. We are still talking about a community where they are following someone who’s king and speak as such and has a freaking tiger. That’s the part that’s the stretch really, I don’t feel like this episode’s events were a stretch from the original premise of kingdom .

          • TrentC

            I see the Kingdom people as a kinder, more gentle version than some of the groups we’ve run into.

            And mental note – Don’t become close friends or part of the hierarchy of the Kingdom, because your ruler may meet someone, trust them moreso than you, and allow them to strangle you without explanation.

            I agree with your instant VIP comment wholeheartedly and I stand by Josh’s original assessment. The writing and pacing on this season has been kooky at best.

          • belinda

            Yeah, writing and pacing for twd has never really been consistent like ever lol 😀 The show overall has had moments of brilliance, but never fails to then slump right back into being mediocre/terrible tv. I honestly really just watch the show for Carol these days. If she dies, I’d be done with it entirely – not that killing off Carol is necessarily bad for the narrative, but that I really am not invested at all in any of the remaining characters except for her, so if she’s gone then I really have no point in watching.

          • TrentC

            Yes I like the show as well, never been ready to bail on it. I critique when I feel they drop the ball and could do better. I probably won’t watch any more of Fear the Walking Dead because I gave it two seasons and while there were some potentially cool ideas, it just kept going to ridiculous places.

            To me TWD excels when the characters have some horrible moral dilemma brought about by the apocalypse. That’s why I was hard on this recent episode. TWD is like the show Survivor for me. Even a bad episode is better than most of what’s out there right now.

          • belinda

            I would disagree with that last statement, as there are tons of really good tv out there. A bad episode of TWD is really just a bad episode of TV. TWD has moments of brilliance once in a while, but on average, it’s a pretty mediocre show that’s visually stimulating with thin characterization and goofy narratives. I really just watch it for Carol at this point, and so I can listen to Josh and Rob chat about it, and to whine about it when it does goofy stuff, which is often lol.

          • TrentC

            Not one of the top shows on TV? Are you trying to make me go full clear??

            🙂

          • belinda

            😀

          • Snazzy Bean

            Upvoted for use of “Trust Cluster”.

          • TrentC

            They use Voting Blocs in the Savior Compound.

        • Andiamo

          I agree it was weird that no one said a word during that extremely long death scene. Because of the conversation before Negan’s crew got there, Ezekiel knew Richard was hiding something, and I get that Ezekiel trusts Morgan more than Richard, but it wasn’t enough to justify the silence.

          Even if Ezekiel agreed with Morgan, I would think the King would want to be the one to decide Richard’s fate.

          • TrentC

            Yes it was weird, agreeing on the non-justification and yes I agree on your last point as well. You’d think the king would rule on something as important as a death. Good to see I wasn’t alone in finding things that seemed strange during that scene.

  • Adam Bradford

    I also thought the scene with the “offering” to the Saviors was very odd. How is it that Gavin wasn’t pissed by there only being a dozen cantaloupes when in episode 10 the Kingdom gave substantially more and Gavin was alarmed by the offering being “light”? That day they also had watermelons, which as Alex pointed out, is #1 on the melon power rankings. That day they also had a SUV instead of a flatbed truck; so very strange they would use the truck to transport a dozen cantaloupes. Also what happened to Richard not being allowed to carry a gun? Didn’t the Kingdom folk think the Saviors would be pissed when they saw him with a rifle?

    This show is making it a lot harder to like it when it keeps having the characters act in ways that aren’t realistic to both who they are as characters and every day life.

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    • TrentC

      I was thinking about the large truck as well. Perhaps they use it so they can transport a handful of people and guns?

      Morgan going full metal jacket almost ruined the episode for me. When you talk about characters acting in realistic ways, he left the Aikido tenants far too easily considering some of the other things he’s experienced.

      I know the plot has to move forward somehow, but killing Benjamin and Sir Richard just to have Ezekiel join the fight, seems very heavy handed and manipulative to me.

      • Tim Forbes

        Has Morgan experienced anything worse than that since his Eastman and Aikido training? I can’t think of anything. I think it makes perfect sense why his character would go back into “clear” mode. He is a very fragile character.

        • TrentC

          The Wolves killing people in Alexandria, the attack on Carol, four of Rick’s friends getting killed by Negan…there’s been a few I’m probably forgetting. He has seen some stuff.

          When someone snaps to that degree (killing another person with his bare hands), I feel the catalyst should be big. Yes he trained Benjamin for whatever amount of time (a few weeks?), but it seems more fitting that he would lose control if someone closer to him was hurt or killed.

          • J-me not Hi-me

            Maybe the big difference is that he didn’t see Glenn or Abraham get killed? If he had been in that lineup we might have seen him go full Clear then.

          • TrentC

            I don’t buy the idea that Morgan was so distanced from Glenn and Abraham that hearing about a baseball bat beating Rick’s buddies wouldn’t affect him. Also, they did live together in Alexandria before the Savior business started. Morgan knew Rick’s inner circle and helped them fight the Wolves. People saying he couldn’t have known or been friends with Glenn and Abraham, yet developed this intensely intimate and greater bond with a kid living with another group of people?

            Anyways, we’re trying to determine what is a character’s breaking/trigger point and I felt it should have been something more substantial for Morgan. I’ll still be watching next week 🙂

          • Andiamo

            I can see why Benjamin affected him so much. I know he cares about Carol, but they are equals, peers, friends. With Benjamin it was the first time he allowed himself to be paternal with anyone. That is the most vulnerable relationship Morgan could enter into. Because he was a mentor to him, he was training him, he felt responsible for his life in a way he doesn’t feel with anyone else, even Carol.

          • TrentC

            Do you think that Morgan is intelligent enough and cool enough (cool meaning adhering to the five basic principles of Aikido) to understand that the Savior injured and killed Benjamin, not Richard? Yes it was Richard’s dumb plan that resulted in Benjamin’s death, but could anyone have foreseen that random shooting because of something Richard did?

          • Andiamo

            I was talking about why Benjamin’s death in particular would affect Morgan. I think he’s the only one who might bring out that kind of existential crisis in Morgan, but I also don’t think his death alone was the catalyst that made Morgan snap. I think it was the emotion stirred up by Benjamin, followed by Richard’s arrogance that put Morgan over the edge.

            I do think Morgan is cool enough not to directly blame Richard for the death. But Richard is also not totally free of blame. It was his deception that lead to the event, even if he didn’t mean for it to. That alone might be alright to take, but Richard tells him that, since he didn’t get to be the martyr he’ll have to be the leader to make up for it. He wants to continue the deception and Morgan is not having it. He doesn’t want Richard to use Benjamin’s death.

            The next morning when Morgan finds out that Richard didn’t confess to Ezekiel I think Morgan realizes he’s acting out of his own self interest. When he hears Richard start talking to the Saviors Morgan has a “You don’t get to be the hero here” moment and snaps.

            It’s not perfect. I agree we could use a little more to go on, but there is enough there for me to find his actions believable.

          • TrentC

            And that’s all one really needs when watching 🙂

    • Tim Forbes

      I’m guessing they deliver different foods at different times. There is probably a rotation of different foods to allow time for other foods to grow. That seems reasonable.

      • Adam Bradford

        I don’t know about that, if they’re only coming once a week you’d think it’d be a small percentage of about everything that’s in season at the time. Maybe there is a deleted scene where Ezekiel is giving the Saviors a class on weevils and their destructive effect on crops.

    • Andiamo

      In the screenshot it looks there are 3 baskets. There can’t be more than 4 melons per basket, so the produce seems about the same to me. The rest look like canisters. Maybe they’re full with something, or maybe they are just there to keep the melons from rolling around. Maybe that’s why they switched this week to the bizarre melon stabilizing catapult contraption in the truck.

      Gavin only cares that the rules are being followed. He wants the exact amount agreed upon and nothing else, which is why he said he didn’t want more melons either. When he said it seemed light, I think he meant it didn’t look like the agreed upon number. If Negan agreed on 3 melons/week he would collect that. He doesn’t want the stress. He doesn’t want to think and make decisions. He wants rules and rule followers.

      What’s weirder to me is that The Kingdom has such a different deal/relationship with Negan than the other communities do. However many melons it is, it’s by no means half of their supply.

      • TrentC

        Seems like it would take more in fuel than one cantaloupe is worth for that make up trip the next day.

        • Andiamo

          Rules are rules…

      • Adam Bradford

        Looks like a fuel jug and a some car batteries.

  • aardvarkratnik

    I really hope that they’re going to get around to actually fighting the saviour one of these weeks before they go on their next six month hiatus.

  • Latasha

    It wasn’t so much “oh no he killed Benjamin, I must get revenge!” it was the “this is the final straw” “you filled my cup and this splash of benjamin just made it runneth over.”….so noooooowww i must get revenge. lol.

  • HomerBrannon1

    I’m with Josh, no way Richard and Morgan worked that out ahead of time. If Richard and Morgan had a plan, why didn’t Morgan go to Ezekiel afterwards and tell him it’s time for war. Instead he decides to just go on a killing spree until Carol stops him (or delays him).

    • Tim Forbes

      I don’t think it was planned between them but I think Morgan used Richard’s plan by making the “grand gesture” Richard was talking about to show the saviors they were serious about being kept in line. I think Morgan also killed Richard because he knew he wanted to sacrifice himself to get the Kingdom to fight. Also, he wanted revenge and probably felt he had to kill him.

    • belinda

      I agree. I feel like the primary reason why Morgan killed Richard was because of his rage and anger at Richard over Benjamin’s death; wanting Ezekiel to fight back was kind of secondary to that (though still notable, because while Richard caused Ben’s death, the Saviors are still the ones to actually well, kill Ben, or their continued relationship was why Richard wanted to execute the plan in the first place). But the fact that it was a slow killing (strangling over a gunshot, which means you are taking the full weight of what killing someone feels like) and the fact that it was Morgan breaking his whole no killing stance makes it feel like it was just Morgan emotionally deciding then he had to kill Richard because he was the reason why Ben died, rather than some big prior plan with Richard to sacrifice him.

      Like you said, if it was premeditated, then Morgan wouldn’t be like cuckoobananas and Caroling over it afterwards but instead will be all set to go fight.

  • belinda

    If Sandra is Queen of Survivor, then surely Carol is Queen of the Kingdom (or really, the entire show). Even before her return – and Carol wasn’t even at the kingdom for long prior, and only a few people really know her true nature as a total badass – she’s strutting in and out like she owns the place, and the interesting thing is that everyone (from ezekiel to just a rando footguard) is just totally fine with that (as if they secretly sense the power of Carol even before she shows it).

    • Matthew Murphy

      Idk people at the Kingdom seem to be able to buy into a lot, this is just par for the course.

  • Mike

    Again, I ask the same question I did last week, where the heck is Heath?!?! Did the writers actually forget about him or is something bigger in store? I understand the show and comics do differ in a good bit of ways but Heath is a major player in the comics. Any news would be awesome since we haven’t seen him in 8 episodes!

    • Andiamo

      He’s on 24: Legacy now, so it may depend on that.

      I wonder if we’ll ever see the people who were banished from Alexandria.

      • Adam Bradford

        Right. 24: Legacy’s renewal is up in the air, but I doubt it’s on for more than another season. Most likely we won’t see Heath again until Season 8 or 9. Since Season 8 will likely all be the great war against the Saviors, maybe he’ll lead a yet unseen group (or maybe the banished Alexandrians) into the fight when it looks most bleak for our heroes a la Sansa Stark with the Knights of the Vail in The Battle of the Bastards.

      • Agent__Zigzag

        Refresh my memory please! Which Alexandrians were banished & why?

        • Andiamo

          Deanna banished a small group of people (3 or 4) from Alexandria sometime before Rick’s group got there. I don’t remember if they gave many details except that they were recruited by Aaron, and eventually she considered them dangerous. I think they took their weapons and gave them a couple of days worth of food and sent them on their way.

          I just wonder about them sometimes.

          • Agent__Zigzag

            OK. Thanks!

          • TrentC

            Drawing a total blank on that one and I have a fair to mediocre memory.

            Thanks.

  • Matthew Murphy

    I wonder how much they fed Sheeva this week. Definitely more than 12 cantaloupes. I just assume they feed her those CGI deer.

    • TrentC

      Two cantaloupes and some pee.

  • Matthew Murphy

    I think I saw Morgan blink some morse code to Sir Richard before he killed him…

  • J-me not Hi-me

    Upon further reflection: Morgan freaked out because Benjamin was a teenager. If Dwayne had lived he would be a teenager now. It’s as simple as that. They made the fact that Morgan was conflating the two of them in his head explicitly Clear. (<–See what I did there?)