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The Walking Dead Season 8, Episode 12 Recap: The Key

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The Walking Dead | Season 8, Episode 12 Recap – “The Key”

Rob Cesternino & Jessica Liese recap the “The Key”, Season 8, Episode 12 of “The Walking Dead”

  • Jo Johnson

    Is it just me or does Jessica Liese constantly finds a way to complain about EACH episode, scene, & character?

    How about bringing someone on who actually likes the show.

    • Pink Pearl

      It’s funny…I told Rob as soon as we wrapped that I expected the first comment we got to be someone complaining about how I complain too much. Rob didn’t believe me — he is at least as critical as I am, he says, and he doesn’t think the show DESERVES to have praise heaped on it right now.

      But I don’t take it personally — it’s a particular hazard of Podcasting While Female that my criticism frequently reads like complaining. Not calling YOU a sexist per se, but it’s something that gets leveled at every female podcaster in the RHAP universe with a fair amount of regularity.

      • Jo Johnson

        You being a female never crossed my mind because I’ve been listening to this particular podcast for seasons.

        My issue is the complaining ALL of the time. There should be balance and if it was only one episode or scene fine but if your having issues when they follow the comic and when they move away from it then maybe just maybe you don’t like the show.

        Example: You hate the junkyard people and how they speak then you also hate when they get wiped out and Jadis speaks normally.

      • Agent__Zigzag

        That really sucks that you & other Lady podcasters on RHAP or PostShowRecaps have to deal with this [email protected]#!%&* while we just listen & only contribute minimally if at all! Sort of reminds of the line from Teddy Roosevelt’s “Man in the Arena” passage on page 7 of his speech “Citizenship in a Republic” where he says “it’s not the critic who counts”. Thank you for all that you do for the listeners of RHAP Jessica!

        • Andiamo

          Sure that quote wasn’t from page 6? Just kidding. Deep pull, nice.

          • Agent__Zigzag

            Just quoting Wikipedia.

    • J-me not Hi-me

      It’s just you. Rob has been as critical of episodes or more.

    • To be fair, Jessica, Josh and I have all had issues with the back half of season 8 – but we did all LOVE the second episode where the Garbage people got it!

      • Jo Johnson

        Well I’m not trying to rub the podcast the wrong way because I have been a steady listener for years now.

        I’ll bow out gracefully and continue to watch the show and listen to your podcast.

        It just sucks how you enjoy something and when you tune in to hear the recap all you hear is how stupid it was & the writing sucks. Lol

        • J-me not Hi-me

          I’ve definitely been there! I’ve stopped listening to some other podcasts because I’d be hype about an episode and they’d be all “This show sucks and Carl is a terrible actor.”

          • TrentC

            Carl had good hair.

    • gigi

      oh dang, I didn’t read the description… I love Josh & Rob together! who’s the chick?

      • Pink Pearl

        “The chick” has been covering TWD since last summer and has six years of experience on RHAP! But I’m not blowing up Josh’s spot. He and Rob get together to complain about the show and take listener questions on the feedback show later in the week.

        • gigi

          oh… k-o… 🤷🏾‍♀️ I was happy to stumble upon Josh & Rob doing postshowrecaps on youtube back in season 6 and they were magic! then they ditched YouTube for the site exclusively, and here we are… I’m just used to them (and Alex)

      • XmanIce

        I used to not like Rob & Josh together. They were too talky and they both want to be the “comedian” which meant they weren’t doing a recap. They fixed that and now I like them together.

    • TrentC

      In my view Jessica acknowledges the good stuff and notes the bad. It’s tough to support one of your favorite shows when some of the writing gets wonky, or even insulting.

      I posted a mini-rant on Maggie’s pregnancy recently, because the logic of the progression (or lack thereof) starts to take you out of the show. I can’t and won’t speak for Jess, but I think if she actually hated the show she wouldn’t cover it weekly.

      It’s hard being a fan of a show and then watching the characters commit acts that don’t make sense, or the content strays from what initially attracted you. I did it watching Star Trek Discovery. Tried every week to like it, then some of the ‘new’ ideas went against existing canonical ideas, and it distracted me from just letting go and enjoying the series. Apparently most of the world liked it, and I was ‘that guy’ or ‘that person’ who poo-poo’d it in every discussion.

      As you said in another post, it sucks when you enjoy something and the world thinks it’s bad or vice versa.

    • XmanIce

      Jessica and Rob are equally and rightfully critical in my opinion. The story line has been ridiculous for a long time now and are not improving. The writers keep giving us episodes with the B and C squad. Where is Carol, Daryl, Ezekiel, Michone (who is being wasted now), Jesus? Instead they give us Aaron, Enid, Tara, Rosita. And a Benny Hill rendition of Rick and Negan.

      • TrentC

        Not to stoke the fire, but Rob did 90% of the critiquing in the form of questions. And I agreed with every one. The only thing of note that happened was Negan found out the Scavengers were killed and Rick was the source. Did they set up that whole Royal Rumble just to convey one sentence? Next time just use the walkie talkie!

        Oh, and Jadis captured Negan…for about 10 minutes.

        • XmanIce

          Did Negan get away from Jadis? Most of the time when I stream an episode I miss the very last scene and I never get the previews for next weeks episode

          • TrentC

            Not that I saw. He was laughing while Jadis was holding the gun on him. I anticipate he’ll get the upper hand soon. You’d think because Jadis probably blames him for the death of her people, that she would have killed him immediately. Because she didn’t…

    • Andiamo

      Oh, but there’s just so much to complain about. It’s how I get most of my enjoyment from watching the show at this point. It’s just not what it used to be. It’s nice to listen to a critical view of the show, especially after watching Talking Dead. My only complaint is that they don’t post the podcast on Sunday night, when my annoyance is at its height.

      I know this doesn’t help since you seem to enjoy the show for what it is, but I’m just giving my perspective on the podcast. A lot of reviewers have bailed on the show already, at least they’re still trying.

      And Rob easily complains about it as much as Jessica does. If he didn’t you probably wouldn’t feel the need to ask for someone who likes the show to be brought on. Even the perpetually positive Josh does his fair share of complaining. The problem isn’t Jessica, it’s Scott Gimple.

    • Matthew Murphy

      It’s hard for anyone with eyes not to be critical of the Walking Dead post season 5.

  • Just Joe

    Great podcast as always! You guys keep it honest, and that’s what I like! Also they announced at the end of Talking Dead that Tara will be a guest next week, so fingers crossed! Lol

    • Matthew Murphy

      Haha if only. She’s the “funny” one we need her desperately as opposed to Eugene who’s humor isn’t forced.

  • Beefcake

    This whole multi-season story arc is just a good old-fashioned American tax revolt. Negan raised taxes too high, so the taxpayers rebelled.

    He’s dropped down to 25%, but that’s still too high. Once he gets down to 10%, Rick should take the deal.

  • Beefcake

    Also, I like having the comix spoilers at the end of these podcasts.

    • Bruce Pierce

      comics

  • TrentC

    I LOVED one of Negan’s last lines and I’ll paraphrase – Gawd dammit Rick, you’re going to get us both killed!

    This comes after a good 15 minutes of them battling and such a great line from an alpha character like Negan. They fire bullets, swing bats, throw hatchets…and then Negan starts getting a little concerned lol!

    • Bruce Pierce

      I liked the part where Negan called Rick a “psychopath”.

      • TrentC

        Yeah Negan has got a real reversal thing going with Rick, blaming him for everything…not to mention his pet name, _rick.

  • Emmy Snow

    you don’t think Georgie is from the New World Order?

  • Andiamo

    So Rick has dead perfect aim and timing to be able to T-bone Negan’s car, but he can’t hit him with an assault rifle from 15 feet away? After all that did Rick just walk away and assume Negan died? I wish they would just drop the big fight scenes because they never make any sense.

    Can we even call Rick a leader anymore since no one ever follows his plans? Not even Rick could stick to the horn blowing plan he likely came up with.

    On a positive note, I liked Jadis taking Negan. Two lunatic shepherds without their flocks. Maybe they’ll fall in love, and they’ll be the ones telling the story to their grandkids. I’m also curious what that place was before they made it “the heaps”. Now that Jadis is using her words, and has someone to speak to, maybe we’ll find out.

    I was also excited to see Georgie aka Hillary Clinton/Deanna 2.0/ Survivor Ken’s mom. I’m much more interested in seeing the ways people rebuild/transform society, and I would love it if the show moved in this direction instead of continuing to jump from big bad to big bad. It’s really getting old.

    Great job guys, as always.

    • XmanIce

      I completely agree with you about Rick’s leadership. Nobody sticks to the plan because they all have become selfish. They only care about themselves so they go off script to do and kill whoever they feel has wronged them personally. Ricks group doesn’t care about the group anymore.

      • Andiamo

        I think this whole Negan storyline has made the group lose any purpose other than going on their own individual vengeful suicide runs. It’s frustrating. And now I’m starting to sound like Coral…but I guess the kid had a point.

        • TrentC

          The scene with the women’s alliance reminded me so much of Lost. Michonne decides they should do their own thing and not tell Rick or the others. There were so many times on Lost I thought – If only they had a whiteboard. Today Kate is going to the hatch, Sawyer is going to the beach and Jack will be visiting the past.

          Same thing with TWD crew. Communicate and formulate a plan! Don’t they realize after 8 seasons (and a million horror flicks) that splitting up never ends well?

          • Andiamo

            Yep that was my number one frustration with Lost. No communication. With TWD they do make plans sometimes, then they decide they don’t care about the plan. “Rick said we should stay here.” “Cool, who’s coming?”

            I like a road trip as much as the next person, but their timing is suspect. They’re expecting the Saviors at any minute, so the leader, two of their best fighters, and Enid decide it’s a good time to meet up with a secret admirer? Again, the logic isn’t there. That being said, Georgie was my favorite part of the episode, so, I guess, you go girls.

          • TrentC

            You nailed it. Any time they would benefit by doing something together, some idjit writer decides to make a 1/3 of our heroes leave the area immediately. We don’t want to overpower the 50 Saviors that are coming by having all 10 of us in the same place, that’s hardly fair!

            Seriously…they get a cryptic message from a unknown group right after most of the group just got back together at The Hilltop. Let’s take our female A-squad out to meet this unknown force, because I don’t know, we haven’t suffered enough tragedy lately because no has died for well over 18 hours.

            Gregory can help look after things at home, he has experience.

    • TrentC

      Oh stop clouding the issue with facts. Agreeing with everything Rob questioned in addition to your points here. Rick squirted something on to that wet bat and it stayed lit for a long time. I saw him light at least eight walkers on fire. Grab a torch and dip it into the fire, because fire represents your life? Also, a couple of weeks back we saw Lucille in the briefing room scene and she looked pristine, not a scratch on her. Pretty good considering the bat has been covered in barbed wire and used to kill multiple people.

      One more. Rick hits Negan’s car initially and then totals Negan’s car the second time. It appeared to me that they both ran into a nearby building. Soon after, our heroes Simon & Dwightboy happen upon the crash site. They have a meeting and bandy about the pros and cons about working for Negan Corp. Excuse my ignorance, but aren’t Rick and Negan in the building across the street firing shots, breaking floors and lighting things on fire?

      And how the hell does Georgie and her pantsuit survive a couple of years in the zombie apocalypse trading LP’s for food? She has enough extra food she can make trades for Steely Dan and Boz Scaggs greatest hits??

      Sorry, but unless Georgie has 1000 people and a few tanks, I’m doubting her veracity as a character. Love the Georgie aka Hillary Clinton/Deanna 2.0/ Survivor Ken’s mom name!

      • Andiamo

        Lucille must have nine lives too. And that was mighty convenient that Rick found a bottle of lighter fluid(?) in a pitch black abandoned warehouse. I’m with Rob on not having any idea why Rick tried to break down the door with his torch except that he thought it might be more fun to kill Negan with a crowd around. Why does Rick do anything?

        Good point about Simon and Dwight not hearing anything. I’m not sure when they got there, but I’d assume it was before the fight was over. Maybe they were distracted by the naked walker just like absolutely no one who was watching.

        I liked Georgie and the Midge twins! (Even though she’s clearly missing out on Semhar’s spoken word.) Do you think she’s a phony? Do you not trust her? I remember when I didn’t trust Aaron because he looked too clean. I do think she must be part of a larger community, maybe not nearby if she says they won’t be back for a while. A place where food is plentiful, and cover bands are scarce. I don’t know, I thought she was weird enough to be interesting, but possibly too good to be true…but again, that’s what I thought about Aaron.

        Maybe she gave the Saviors a few pages of The Key so they could get those pickles going?

        • TrentC

          Love your takes Rosita. Did you notice Rosita had a little make up on and is in very fit post-baby shape? (grrr baby grrr)

          You lost me on the Midge twins though. (?)

          I too thought of Aaron’s first scene when we met Sally Georgie Rafael. Too good to be true is part of it and how did they survive this long is the other side of the coin.

          The Key…and her description of medieval methods of farming and solar panels. Huh? She did say that they haven’t met any other large groups of people for a long time, so perhaps they’ve avoided the Saviors up until now?

          Nope, I don’t buy it. They are either Terminus 2.0 cannibals in pantsuits, or another ladies only club that rightly surmised that the Ricks & Negans of the world are not the team to play for.

        • Bruce Pierce

          Oh no, Chris Hardwick saw the naked walker.

          • Andiamo

            It’s Chris Hardwick’s job to oooh and aaah. (Not that I’d mind that job.) That was probably the least interesting “reveal” of the entire series.

    • Bruce Pierce

      Yeah but how did she get Negan, and why was he unconciouse? Certainly wasn’t because Rick hit him with anything.

      • Andiamo

        I have no idea. Maybe she snuck up behind him and knocked him out? I did rewatch the scene because when I first watched I thought Rick left the building before Negan and that made no sense to me. Turns out Negan went out the window before Rick while Rick was busy punching walkers. It was only maybe a minute before Rick went out though, so I don’t know if she had time to scoop him up right then, or if she picked him up later.

  • David Grimm

    Can anyone correct me with an example if I’m wrong…? I think last night might have been the first conversation ever between Maggie & Michonne. Maybe even the first words spoken to each other, which is interesting given their long history with the show.

  • Brandon Alexander

    Hey Rob and Josh, I just binged TWD over the past couple months and listened to all of your coverage on it (minus comic book stuff, I just started reading those and don’t want to get too spoiled). I absolutely love the show (including this episode), and I can fairly say this is now one of my favorite shows ever. I have noticed though that you guys have been somewhat down on it for some time though. So my question is about revisiting the topic of “is this show better on a binge”? Additionally, will there ever be a top 25 episodes podcast during the off-season that may help you guys and the audience reminisce on some of the shows greatness? Thanks for all you do!

  • Agent__Zigzag

    Rosita in that hat reminds me of Survior Season 19 Samoa Laura Morett.