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Better Call Saul Season 2, Episode 3 Recap | Amarillo

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Better Call Saul Season 2 Episode 3 Recap Podcast of “Amarillo” on February 29, 2016

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Rob Cesternino and Antonio Mazzaro recap Season 2, Episode 3 of Better Call Saul on AMC and answer some of the listener questions.


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  • phil

    May have uploaded episode 2 by mistake!

  • Claire

    Haven’t listened yet, but I just watched the episode, and like a nerd I called that Davis and Main phone number shown on the infomercial when I saw it wasn’t a 555 number, but instead had the 505 New Mexico area code. Some guy on Reddit recorded what you hear. 🙂

    • Antonio Mazzaro

      haha I was calling that number literally as soon as it showed up on screen. Thanks for posting this clip.

    • Kathie

      Thanks! I was calling that too, while my husband was shaking his head and rolling his eyes at me. 🙂

  • C05EDEN

    I got the distinct vibe in this episode that one of the reasons Jimmy is lying to Kim about his antics is, he is realizing that he is not happy with what their relationship, and he is being self-destructive about it… It seems like one of those things where you have a crush on someone for so long, and you are friends and its really great, then when the intimate relationship starts you realize the connection is not what you thought it was. He clearly wants her to live on the edge like he does – he has no interest in having that second glass of wine as a celebration, and he sure as heck wants no part of sitting on the couch and watching that movie.

    • Antonio Mazzaro

      I think it’s no surprise the first confirmed time we see them come together on the show as a couple is right after they are flying high after running the con on KENWINS. I think Jimmy would absolutely prefer to have his cake/pie and eat it, that is be in a relationship with Kim but have her be his Marco and living on the edge with him. Her pulling back from that is in some ways a rejection of the hidden slippin jimmy he is at his core (who we know ends up being Saul Goodman). If she doesn’t like who he is at his core, he is absolutely, consciously or subconsciously, going to take issue with that.

  • ryan

    Maybe you don’t fully understand what a good rating is but getting 1.1 on cable show is really good. Its a lock to be renewed. Not even close to being in danger. You can’t compare stuff to walking dead that’s unrealistic.

    • Charles Bikle

      I’m hoping you’re right.

      Also, the show seems like it’s pretty inexpensive to produce, I almost think that even if the ratings were low, they’d try to power through 3 additional seasons anyway.

    • Antonio Mazzaro

      I think we can compare Better Call Saul’s 1.0 18-49 rating this week to the following shows which also aired on cable on Monday.

      Family Guy Repeat – 11pm Adult Swim – .9 demo
      Street Outlaws: NOLA – 9pm Discovery – .8 demo
      Love and Hip Hop 6 – 8pm VH1 – 1.3 demo
      Stevie J and Joseline – 9pm VH1 – 1.0 demo
      Teen Mom Special – 10pm MTV – .8 demo
      K Michelle My Life 2 – 930 pm VH1 – .9 demo

      Also by comparison, TALKING Dead does well over double the ratings of BCS in the demo.

      BCS ratings even within the demo are down a couple of ticks over last year’s number, which was by no means a smash outside of the premiere.

      Scripted tv (unlike all those MTV/VH1/Discovery shows up there) obviously costs a whole lot more to produce per episode, even if this show doesn’t have a 2.5 mil plus budget per episode like BB or TWD.

      I agree it is a lock to be renewed. But there is no doubt that the show’s ratings are not a smash. As is the case with most shows, the premiere did a very strong number, but the show has settled into a number that is certainly not close to where BB was by the end of the run, and is more in line with another critical darling which never dominated in the demo, Mad Men. In Mad Men’s case another 1+ million eyes were usually on the show, but the audience skewed older and outside the demo. In some ways these shows live on not because they have broad appeal, but because they have prestige appeal.

      I think BCS is mainly a lock to be renewed bc AMC wants to be in business with Gilligan and Company and in that prestige business. But it is also fact that the network only brought in Gilligan after production was already underway and clunky without him, and this second season was bargained as part of that deal. I don’t think it is by any means a lock to get and do whatever it wants, whenever it wants. And at some point AMC may wonder if the budget spent on a show pulling a 1.0 and not growing is better spent on new shows which have potential to pull a higher number. After all, this isn’t PBS. AMC is a business. Maybe the prestige of BCS will keep it alive in the form Gilligan and Company intend throughout its run. But I think it’s fair to worry if that will be the case.

      Additionally, many critics I’ve seen are already weary of the Sandpiper storyline. If even a couple ticks worth of viewers in the demo feel the same and opt for DVR over live viewing over the course of the season, then the show is into a much more negative place for a scripted drama. The demo ranking nearly doubled for the BCS S2 premiere in live +3 numbers, so this is already one of the top five time shifted shows on cable to be sure. The goal is to keep the live number high, and when in doubt, the live +3. If people let them pile up, that’s when the problems start.

      I know going into this season of BCS there was hope the show would have a Breaking Bad like effect of people catching up on the previous season on Netflix and then watching live as this one aired, thus growing the number. But the first season for BCS averaged a 1.55 in the demo (somewhat inflated by better early episode ratings to be sure), this season is at 1.01 right now. Again, I agree the ratings are by no means dire, but I wouldn’t say the ratings are “really good” either. I strongly feel it’s worth mentioning and I continue to monitor it, even as I agree it’s a lock for renewal. I’m hoping it’s settling in, and the ratings do not dip any further. And as I was saying on the podcast, the success of shows like TWD, and even Fear TWD, does give AMC cover to extend shows. Just by mere comparison to other AMC shows, the lowest-rated of the six “Into the Badlands” episodes that aired last winter clocked a .83 in the demo. That show is still waiting on confirmation of renewal–likely because a deal with a decreased budget and scope is being worked out based on the lower ratings the show pulled as it went on. However, last fall “Halt and Catch Fire” pulled an average of .12 in the demo over the course of their second season, and was still renewed. So AMC will do what AMC wants. This isn’t Rubicon by any stretch.

      So even though Saul has in no way been as big a show as AMC could have hoped, and even though it is down in year two, it’s a lock to come back. But will it continue to come back and stay around as long as they want? Will they get unlimited license to extend and tell the story as they see fit? Will they ever compromise anything involving the integrity of the show to get numbers more in line with what they wanted? (this is the question a listener asked on the podcast this week which spurred this discussion) Based on how hot the source material was, and how the show has declined slowly over the run, and the more-deliberate pace of the show, I think these are all fair questions.

      • ryan

        If it had a .5 Id still say it be renewed. AMC is never going to cancel this show. It made it on several top 10 list for critics. Gets nominated for stuff. I pretty much think its a lock to get not just a season 3 but a season 4. If AMC some how cancelled it I’m sure Netflix would love to pick it up. If you wanna say they might tell a story to go towards going past Breaking Bad to get more viewers I could buy but I’m not worried its in any danger.

        • Antonio Mazzaro

          yeah I am more worried it is in danger of one of the following:

          1) shorter episode order (10 to 8)
          2) lower per episode budget (seems possible as they negotiate a new deal for renewal)
          3) encouragement to speed the story along and get to the actual Breaking Bad crossover (Gus or Jesse connections, which is what the question was about)

          I actually am not at all worried they might want to get past Breaking Bad. I think they could go there and not be guilty of sensationalizing the story just to pop a better number. It’s speeding up this Jimmy to Saul transition or putting characters in illogical places as a result of speeding to the Breaking Bad connections that I worry about. But to be fair those are the same concerns I had coming into the series. I just worry that the lower the number goes, the more the network is going to want to encourage this. As discussed on the pod, this season is in the can so I think we’re good. But Season 3 could be problematic. I just think they have to be very careful.

          • ryan

            I wouldn’t mind if they went past BB at some point. I know Aaron Paul has new show on Hulu coming out soon called The Path. It looks interesting and I’m excited for it. With it being cable size episode order I’m sure he could do both if they ever called.

  • PJinAlbuquerque

    Thanks for reading my question. There are a lot of neighborhoods in ABQ that look like Walt’s and Stacey’s. Will you please consider me as your official expert on all things Albuquerque? Love ya, bae(s).

    • Antonio Mazzaro

      Please do tweet at us any time something stands out! You’re our PJ on the ground.