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Fargo Season 2 Episode 8 Recap | Loplop

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Podcast Recap of Fargo Season 2, Episode 8, “Loplop”

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Watch out, world! The Butcher of Luverne and Positive Peggy are fully actualized, and aw jeez is it a Constance Heck of a sight.

Josh Wigler (@roundhoward) and Jeremiah Panhorst (@jpanhorst) join up with guest host Mike Bloom (@AMikeBloomType), filling in for Antonio Mazzaro (@acmazzaro) while he battles a cold, to discuss the latest episode of Fargo, called “Loplop.” The conversation covers Ed and Peggy’s comedy of errors with Dodd, the eldest Gerhardt brother’s unfortunate stay at the cabin, Hanzee Dent’s stone cold killing spree, and much more.


** The Alien Symbols At The Bar | From Reddit


Today, we mourn the passing of Dodd Gerhart,

Father of daughters, paver of typewritten digs.

By mourn of course we mean we cheer.

For never has there been so near

to gallant, nay, to stubborn fool, a man

such as there was with Dodd.

His half-brain-damaged confused face

is rivaled ever only by

his full-on awful sexist haste,

and sibling rivalry with that ursine guy .

Dodd the father, Dodd the son, Dodd the assholy spirit lays

with the angels now, to the extent angels lay,

which is to say, not at all.

They fly.

So good riddance and goodbye,

to the man whose head

was shoved so far up his own behind,

that even his brochach could not resist

and eventually filled it with lead.

Shocked, tenderized, decked-out Dodd, never grace my television again.

This is your burn notice.

  • TrentC

    I may have fallen in love with Peggy this week. I could watch a two and half hour movie featuring only Ed, Peggy and Dodd at the cabin. The comedic moments coupled with a sense of dread were outstanding. One of my favorite Fargo episodes.

    Made a comment earlier about Hanzee possibly making some sort of future moral decision to help someone. Seeing it come to fruition shocked and delighted me simultaneously.

    • John Davis

      Your theory here inspired me to think that Hanzee was going to act on this moral choice by killing Dodd not saving him. Win, win.

  • dapete

    Why is that poem by Antonio not on the show notes?

    • Josh Wigler

      Excellent point. Fixed.

      • dapete

        FAN-tastic. Thanks Josh.

  • Omega Kin

    Well Peggy did just happen to be the Satan in Ed’s life. She pretty much responsible for ruining his quiet simple life. But that’s what happen when you marry for looks.

  • Omega Kin

    I think he was cutting his hair because he was tired of the racism thinking that the cutting of his hair would allow him to fit in better. P.S., Bear would be happy with Dodd dead.

    • TrentC

      Also Native Indians cut their hair during times of loss and mourning. It signifies change and usually respect for a sad event in their lives.

      I could see Hanzee doing it because of the reason you mentioned. He was tired of the bigots and comments received.

  • sunny

    i haven’t listened to the podcast yet, but this was a great episode. Tension-filled moments and comedic relief. Peggy really is out to lunch…her poking stabs at Dodd just about killed me lol.
    I was left wondering if Hanzee intended to kill Dodd all along, or if the incident at the bar was a life-changing moment and that’s when he decided he wanted to make a change.
    And seeing it from this angle just drove it home more how unbelievable it is that Ed would actually have gotten home on foot with time to load Dodd in the car and be gone before the cops show up…(I know, I need to let it go)

  • Is it culturally insensitive to suggest Hanzee should have gotten a Mohawk?

  • John Davis

    I can’t blame you guys for not being alive during the armed 71 day standoff at Wounded Knee in 1973 and the Native American protests, but I do fault you for not pushing a few buttons and Googling Wounded Knee which was mentioned in this episode. It is a bit disappointing when you ask questions about prejudice against Native Americans and assume that it was all resolved in the 19th century when finding out about what things were like during the 1970’s is so easy now with all the information at your fingertips. Maybe the problem is me. I must be the only guy over 70 that is both watching this show and listening to your podcasts.

    I postulated in last weeks discussion that Hanzee was looking for Dodd to kill him not save him. Do you guys think that Hanzee was motivated to kill Dodd because he held him responsible for the senseless mob war or that he killed him spontaneously because of an accumulation of racial slurs and attacks?

    As far as the paper on the walls in Hanks room I still feel that it was Molly. Here’s what I basically said in last week’s discussion.

    I think that the most important reason for this scene is to establish the central connection to Molly Solverson in Season One and the importance of her development and a superb detective. We find the roots of her talent from her mother’s instinctual questioning and crime solving ability in season two but where does she get the ability to articulate them into a provable theory? Maybe from Hank Larson’s room?

    One of the central props in season one is Molly’s “whiteboard”. This whiteboard drives her boss the police chief Bill (Bob Odenkirk) crazy and he eventually forces her to remove it from the station where it ends up in the trunk of her “prowler” and eventually on the wall of her study a year later after she marries Gus. This collection of mug shots, video stills, clippings, lines drawn and taped etc is the essential element that drives Gus (Colin Hanks) to murder Malvo in cold blood rather than try to restrain him and wait for his arrest. The timid policeman turned mailman does what he has to do to save his family.

    • Mike Bloom

      I will deservedly take flak for my daftness about Native American relations in the 70s. When I heard “Wounded Knee,” I made an assumption that it was alluding to the massacre in 1890 and not the incident in 1973. Hope my lack of historical knowledge didn’t stop your enjoyment of the podcast!

      • John Davis

        If I didn’t enjoy your podcasts I wouldn’t listen to them. I am really amazed by how many really smart young guys and gals there are out there and how Rob’s websites attract the most well informed and witty people on the internet. Mike, I especially loved your podcasts with Rob on Last Comic Standing. Keep up the great work.

        • jeremiahp

          I to John blame myself for not Googling the “Wounded Knee” reference. I am glad you are enjoying the podcast.

          I still feel like Hanzee reacted emotional when he killed Dodd.

      • dapete

        You’re not alone, Mike. Thanks for the post, John.

    • TrentC

      Yes the Native Indian (I use that term, because in Canada it’s the term) prejudice is still alive and well, even today. As an aside, both of the Wounded Knee incidents have a similar thread of sadness and misunderstanding. I was seven when the 1973 incident occurred, so Google helped me get the facts.

      To answer your question I believe that Hanzee has an intelligent, pragmatic side and his actions were a result of both things happening that you mentioned. The Gerharts were handling the mob war badly and he finally had enough of Dodd treating him like a second class human being. Although the latter was likely because of the day Hanzee was having, something was already snapping within him.

      There’s a good link above to a forum called Reddit. There they have screenshots of the symbols in Hank’s place as well as pictures of cattle brands. It appears that’s where the commonalities lay. The brands have been called Native American symbols which isn’t correct, but the gist is the same. It seems that some of the symbols are similar. The symbols themselves look too well formed to be drawn by a child, but Molly could have been organizing them for Hank’s benefit. No matter what the intended reason is for showing us the symbols, it’s as you mentioned previously. The UFO angle is a red herring and they certainly are not alien symbols.

      Her organization skills as a child and her adult police whiteboard is a great connection John. I’m curious to see if the clippings in Hank’s house will play into the current story.

  • Peggy was making me squirm in my chair when she stabbed Dodd, somehow that felt more violent and scary than anything else we’ve seen in this show. Also trying to grab the knife and cutting his hand was pretty bad, OW! Also Hanzee seems to be Rambo this week, misunderstood vietnam vet goes berserk.

    • TrentC

      I saw Hanzee as a formidable enemy, yet more calm and intelligent than the people he works for. During this episode he seemed to lose any sense of morality (and intelligence) and I thought – I guess he won’t be helping people anytime soon. He did come through in the end by not killing Ed and Peggy and shooting Dodd. It’s just too bad that he seems broken now.

      He’s got the unappreciated Vietnam vet stigma to contend with as well as the Native prejudices. I assume he’s going to play a huge role in the Sioux Falls Massacre and I don’t mind admitting part of me will be rooting for him.

    • jeremiahp

      Yes, John Rambo, great reference Ian!

  • TrentC

    I haven’t listened to the podcast yet. Certainly enjoyed Antonio’s poem, the last line is a winner!

    I have to disagree though Antonio. I loved Jeffrey Donovan’s portrayal of Dodd. Unfortunately I’ve encountered a few Dodds in my life and they really are one dimensional, chauvinistic, bully oafs. He really did nail it.

    I got a small shiver in this episode when he was still tied up and says to Peggy – Ohhh, yer gonna see the back of my hand. I somehow knew he wasn’t getting out of that cabin alive and thought Peggy would be the one to deliver him to the great A-hole hereafter.

  • Paco

    Dodd went prematurely. I wanted a final big confrontation between him and Bear. That’s my only dissatisfaction.

    • jeremiahp

      In my opinion, he did go to early. Not sure if Antonio would agree.

  • TrentC

    Enjoyed the podcast, thanks guys. Always nice hearing Chewbacca with the guest commentary.

    If you read into Lifespring and similar programs of the time, there was a dark side that occurred for some of the people that participated. Suicides, murders, and court claims against the founders of the programs. It falls into line with Peggy being encouraged into ‘doing’, not thinking. Primal scream therapy and other activities that promoted the ideals of getting back to your animal instincts and foregoing regular thought processes were common. There’s some good stuff in there that’s applicable to our world, because I feel we tend to overthink things and at times actualize only within our minds. Aww geez digression alert, time to move along.

    I liked seeing Ed and Peggy remain polite during some of the tense scenes in this episode. As a Canadian we often get accused of doing this and I believe the same reputation carries over to some of the northern, central States. One subtle line I found hilarious was Ed sitting there white faced with rope burns on his neck after nearly being hung to death. “So… you wanna pop?” After Peggy tells him to be polite.

    I was down on Hank for forgetting about Peggy. I’m a little better with it after this episode. He was smacked on the grape pretty hard and he’s gotta be in his late 60’s at least. Regarding Ed finding Mike via the paper, I’m okay with that too. Back then the paper was the internet and I don’t think we have an actual time line telling us how long Mike was in that hotel room. In a small town the paper was everything and told people about crimes as well as marriages, along with other minor news we’d consider unimportant. As you guys mentioned, if it’s a contrivance it’s minor.

    Peggy watching the movie. I believe it was a blatant parallel to Ed and Peggy’s current situation and also something else. She looked to be engrossed with the movie and when she looked up, Dodd had escaped. So it served as a distraction and a reason he could untie himself.

    You guys mentioned (or maybe it was just Jeremiah) that Ed did the hangman drawings in the phone booth. I thought the game was already there the first time he walked into the booth?

    I thought the same thing about Hanzee and the possible haircut. I read about the reasoning behind Natives cutting their hair due to loss or mourning. That coupled with Dodd’s Samson portion of his monologue, possibly means that Hanzee would lose some of his power if he went through with the haircut. I’m not sure how true this next bit is, but I also read a couple of internet articles explaining that when Native Indians became soldiers in Vietnam, they lost their ‘preternatural’ tracking abilities once they got the military haircut. It was thought that their long hair also was a type of sensory organ and helped them sense danger. Once the hair was gone, so were the abilities.

    Thanks as always for the chat gentlemen. Podcast and episode are like coffee and donuts don’t ya know. They go together well.

    Sorry to hear that Antonio was feeling bad. It’s probably a metaphysical reaction to seeing his favorite character exit the series with his usual grace and honor.

    • jeremiahp

      Great stuff Trent! The hangman was there the whole time, Ed did not draw the game out. It was just there to foreshadow Dodd’s attempt to hang Ed.

      • TrentC

        Just a quick one to say howdy and thanks Jeremiah. My favorite podcast and show right alongside The Leftovers. With television like Fargo it’s no wonder I haven’t watched a movie in long time. Okay then, take care eh

  • dapete

    FWIW: I believe the knife locking Dodd into place is a reference to Blood Simple.

  • Gal Baum
    • jeremiahp

      Thanks for sharing Gal!

  • Annie Goldman Liebert

    i’m a week behind y’all… but i wondered about the shot of the front page of the newspaper; the right-hand article was about satellites. that could be a possible explanation for the “aliens.”