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Game of Thrones Season 6, Episode 10 Recap Podcast of “The Winds of Winter” on June 26, 2016

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  • Xavier

    Were you as surprised as I when Varys appeared on the boat heading toward Westerns? Surely he wins the ‘travelling by map’ award at the Throners.

    • Como Shepherd

      I was thinking the same thing at first…BUT, there was another clue in how much time lapsed during the episode as Jaime made it from the Twins to King’s Landing as well

    • yukonr

      Varys could have met them at sea, when you rewatch this episode you’ll see ships with the Dorne siegel on their sails, i never noticed them on my first viewing of the episode but i did on my second

    • 1 hour in the show doesn’t equal 1 hour in GOT timeline.

  • susan appleby

    Omg. Don’t want to post anything that could be a spoiler yet. But tha episode was amazing.

  • Jesus

    SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS! DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVEN’T WATCHED THE EPISODE!

    In my opinion, that was the best episode of the show because you have…

    – the bombing of the High Sept
    – Arya murders Walder Frey
    – Daenerys sails to Westeros
    – revelation that Jon is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna
    – a Lyanna Mormont speech

    and good but not great parts are…

    – Sansa denies Little Finger
    – Tyrion becomes Hand
    – Cersei becomes queen
    – the burning of Shireen fallout
    – Old Town

    You have 3 major character deaths in Margaery, the High Sparrow, and Tommen, and then some minor deaths are Grand Maester Pycell, Mace Tyrell, Loras Tyrell, and Walder Frey

  • Paul

    It’s ok for a grown man to cry over a fantasy themed TV show right?

    • Only if you are hugging a pink teddy bear.

      ( I shed a tear in the red wedding)

  • Jesus

    I almost cried when Margaery was blocked into the High Sept and eventually got consumed by wild fire

  • Adam Bradford

    Do you think there will be a time jump in the off-season allowing Sam to become a maester?

    • Jauney

      Maybe? The story has to pull him to the war that is coming somehow because he has a Valyrian sword.

    • Buck Hondo

      I was wondering about that, too. It seems more likely that he and Gilly (and baby Sam) will just be at the Citadel long enough to learn something critical to defeating the Night King. There doesn’t seem to be enough time for Sam to forge his chain. My money’s on Gilly discovering some lost secret in one of the scrolls she’s not allowed to look at.

      • Ali B

        Can Gilly read?

        • Buck Hondo

          I thought she was being taught to read by Princess Shireen just before she got broasted.

  • Buck Hondo

    SPOILERS

    Did the scene make it clear to viewers that had not already heard the R+L=J theory exactly what the situation is? I couldn’t tell if they just revealed Jon is Lyanna’s son, or if they also made it clear who his father is.

    • Jauney

      I think the show gave the viewer some pretty strong clues to put it together without outright telling the audience. Which is just fine.

      • Buck Hondo

        Okay, that’s good. Too bad only Bran knows about it. Hopefully he’ll be able to tree-travel to Winterfell and catch everyone up.

        • TrentC

          I’m reading the books and I still didn’t get it until Rob and Josh brought it up. Ned’s sister was obvious but the father seemed vague.

          So now what happens if Jon meets Dany? Will they realize that they’re related?

    • Angela Marvel

      My husband didnt really think about the dad but I had to remind him what was said in the previously on and then he guessed rhaegar after a few guesses. So maybe not obvious as i helped him a little but clues were given.

    • Jon is Lyanna’s son, but he has no father. He is the Jesus of GOT.

  • MustardCannon

    Hey guys, thanks for another great season of GOT recaps! Never miss a show.

    Speaking of great seasons, would I be crazy calling this the best complete season of GOT yet!? These last two episodes specifically demonstrate Every reason why I fell in love with the show.

    Quick questions:
    Who rules river run now that ol’ man Frey got the Frey pie of Justice?

    Would someone in Dorne hold the key to supporting John Snows secret lineage?

    Thanks for everything you do guys!

  • LosPollosHermanos

    Honestly one of the best episodes of the series. Nice to have a finale without anything objectionably bad (like ‘bad pussy’ last season).

    Much better than last week, and I liked last week’s.

    The Winds of Winter and The Door are the standouts of the season

  • Buck Hondo

    Does House Stark now have three castles? Winterfell, Castle Black, and the Dreadfort?

    • Joel Rainey

      No on Castle Black

  • corndogshuffle

    Shoutout for the music in the opening sequence. That whole King’s Landing segment was gripping, and they barely even needed dialogue.

    • So amazing, right! I am depressed about Margaery though. God I love her. RIP 🙁

      • damnbueno

        I’m with you on that one. She was a very able opponent for Cersei.

  • Canadan.in.Canadia

    The Lady Mormont is AWESOME! Jeez, I want to be just like her one day.

  • MustardCannon

    Of all the GOT deaths we’ve seen #bellkill might be the best. Points: Cersi

  • SonicDeathFence

    What the hell with the whispering!!!!! Seriously, we wait all this time and we get whispering??!! All I could make out Lyanna saying was “protect him”. They made it obvious that Rhaegar is the father of Jon Snow for sure when they cut from the babies face to Jon Snow’s face, so WHY the whispering?!! Could there be a curveball in the works? Maybe Ned’s not as naive as we all thought and he sent Jon to the Wall for a bigger picture reason fully knowing he’s a Targaeryan when Ned heard the deserter Nights Watchman’s story about the White Walker attack. Waddaya guys think??

  • Paul

    This episode was 100% better than BotB, no questions asked. I’m not sure how I rank this and 309 but they are both top 2 baby!

  • dapete

    I love how Sam reaction reflected everyone’s questions about what Gilly and the baby were going to do at the Citadel. “Oh crap…uh…I dunno…we’ll figure something out. Bye!”

  • Phil The-Issues-Guy

    you guys are my go to recap love it as always great stuff!

  • Steve Davis

    Ilyn Payne on the death list…

  • susan appleby

    Winter is Here.

    Season one characters still alive:
    Jamie
    Cersei
    Arya, Jon and Sansa
    Dany
    The Hound
    Sam? Was he season one
    Tyrion
    Theon

    Going to miss Marjorie

    Can now understand Jamie possibly killing Cercei because of her insanity.

    House with Destroyed Leadership:
    Martell
    Frey
    (Others?)

  • James Griffin

    I agree with Josh’s take about Miguel Sapochnik: Battle of the Bastards, The Winds of Winter, and Hardhome were all great episodes.

  • Bethaney

    Can’t get this out of my head after watching…..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBmMU_iwe6U

  • Christine Larivière

    What Cersei said to the septa about pretending to enjoy “loving” Jaime is interesting. No children remain so their relationship should be rife with drama with her as queen and Jaime sneering at her.

    • Derek_Sye

      I think you need to rewatch this scene. She didn’t say anything about pretending to enjoy the “loving.”

      • susan appleby

        I thought so too. I don’t recall her pretending to love Jaimie. But he’s done with her now.

        Who takes over when Cersei dies?

        • Christine Larivière

          Thanks, Susan. I wondered that myself. Does it get passed onto Lannisters now or Gendry?

      • Christine Larivière

        Thanks, Derek. I will. I should have waited until I could watch uninterrupted but I really wanted to see it.

    • TrentC

      Part of Maggy’s prophecy for Cersei – And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands
      about your pale white throat and choke the life from you.

      Valonqar is High Valerian for younger sibling. Both Tyrion and Jaime are younger than Cersei.

  • Jayden James

    Oh man I need a good recap after that ep.

  • Angie

    I vote: Trial by Fire!

  • Angie

    Random thoughts: The whole plot thread for River Run/the Black Fish/Walder Frey was to give us Frey Pie…Dorne’s only purpose was to be part of the alliance with Dany…I get it, they had to reintroduce those characters before they pulled them in to the main plot lines, but holy annoying.

    In Cersei’s defense (Oh the irony!) she did go to Olenna and say they needed to work together and Olenna told her to get stuffed, soooo…

    Cyburn needed twenty urchins to murder a bumbling old man, but only one to stab the young, fit Lancel? Weird.

    R+L=J : They made it matter by framing it within the context that he’s not the legitimate heir (not even a bastard) to Winterfell, in order to create more tension between Jon and Sansa because otherwise we would be bored next season. It seemed clunky juxtaposed wit the rest.

    Benjen: Told us the finale next season: Wall coming down.

    Best episode ever.

    • TrentC

      Good observations. Regarding the R+L=J thing, how would anyone know Jon’s true lineage other than Bran? Both parents and most of their immediate families are gone now.

      Which brings up a minor point I was thinking about. What happens if/when Bran shows up at Winterfell? Is he the last trueborn male therefore rightful King of the North?

      • J-me not Hi-me

        Howland Reed was with Ned when he left the Tower of Joy with a baby. Depending on how long beforehand R had kidnapped/run away with L, it would be pretty clear who the father of J was.

        Oh! And those women who were attending to Lyanna could presumably know.

        • TrentC

          So Howland would have spilled the proverbial beans to others if Ned decided to tell him? Or the midwives? I’m not arguing, just seems a lot of a moving parts of a large secret…and parts that I missed lol!

      • damnbueno

        I was wondering about Bran too.

        He seems to have accepted his destiny as the next 3-eyed Raven, and understands what role he has to play in defeating the White Walkers. Does he even want to return to Winterfell? He knows his importance to the bigger picture. If Jon Snow is doing a good job as King, would Bran leave the world without a 3-eyed Raven AND remove a King who has united the North and helped defeat the White Walkers?

        Let’s say he does stay alive while the Walkers are defeated. Does this mean that his Uncle Benjin (sp) is the rightful heir to the throne?

        Is Sansa the next in line by virtue of being the oldest?

        Would Bran even want to change anything if he can foresee Arya crossing Cersei off her list? (I can’t wait for that scene by the way).

        • TrentC

          Speculating about the intent of characters on this show is difficult. I believe Bran will only return to Winterfell if something in his visions makes him go there. It all depends on the chain of events as Rob and Josh were discussing. Battle for the Iron Throne first and then the White Walker threat from the north? Or does Dany land at a northern port and help Winterfell and people at the Wall?

          I don’t know the rules of accession. Trueborn son vs trueborn brother of a king? To confuse, I don’t think Ned was ever King of the North. In the finale the other lords were claiming Jon was a ‘Stark’. Not sure how much weight that carried as usually the acting king has to legitimize his own bastards. And we found out through Bran’s vision that Jon is half Stark, half Targaryen. So does that make him King of the North and King of the Iron Throne simultaneously? Or is he just considered a mixed mongrel? Not sure where Sansa fits in.

          Arya may want to kill Cersei but I see two people in front of her. Dany could arrive in Kings landing while Cersei is the queen regent and start a war for the Iron Throne. Part of the prophecy Cersei received about her children dying said that her younger sibling will choke her to death. Both Tyrion and Jaime are younger than Cersei.

          If Bran can see Ayra and her murderous intent, he’s probably seen that aspect of her already. There was foreshadowing with the theater troupe and Arya’s supposed hit on the actress playing Cersei. Maybe life imitates art and Arya confronts Cersei but won’t kill her for some reason?

          • damnbueno

            There’s a lot to sort out for sure.

            But I do know one thing — Danerys is headed for Dorne. Lord Vaerys (sp) brokered a deal between Dorne and House Tyrell.

            And by the way, they’ve got some lightning fast ships around here don’t they?

            Yara and Theon sailed from the Iron Islands and reached Mereen in what seemed like days. They were even able to sail in while the Slave owners’ fleet was attacking the city.

            And Vaerys left for Dorne just before the attack on Meereen began, brokered the deal, and sailed back to Mereen in time to get right back on a ship with Danerys and Tyrion headed for Dorne.

          • TrentC

            They sure do! Yes it’s Varys when discussing the eunuch with the secrets. The last incident you mention with Varys leaving and then returning in time to leave again with Tyrion and Dany was indeed lightning fast.

            As Rob and Josh mention, watch Littlefinger. That guy gets around the realm in a LearJet.

          • damnbueno

            So does Sansa.

            One day she’s staring Ramsey in the face the day before a battle. But she’s got time to recruit Littlefinger and the forces from the Veil and be back the next day?

          • TrentC

            I believe she sent her letter to Littlefinger prior to that battle. Not sure the chain of events unfolded as you mention above.

          • damnbueno

            True, but she didn’t receive a reply from him. That’s why she was pleading with Jon not to attack yet.

            So apparently Littlefinger and the Veil were able to ride to Winterfell as fast as the raven that delivered the reply to Sansa.

          • TrentC

            Yes we need some sort of distance scale in relation to days passed on the show. Littlefinger probably has a network of tunnels under the realm and scurries quickly when Sansa beckons.

          • damnbueno

            Kind of like the underground passageways on “Lost.”

          • TrentC

            I was thinking more like the old pneumatic mail tubes…steampunk Game of Thrones anyone?

            Yeah, maybe not.

        • Ali B

          Isn’t Benjen dead though? That’s why he can’t go past the wall magic? I got a bit confused but i thought that’s what he said. I would guess that being alive is one of the qualifications to be heir to the throne.

          • damnbueno

            I’ve come to find the word “dead’ doesn’t mean much on this show.

            He did say he couldn’t go south of the Wall because there are spells that prevent him from crossing it, but who’s to say those spells aren’t eliminated if the White Walkers are defeated? Maybe the Children who were in the tree hideout with Bran, Hodor & Co. are the ones who can break the spell?

            After all, Jon snow was dead. He came back to life, and now he’s King. If he can do it, why can’t Benjin?

          • Ali B

            I’d take dead Benjen as leader over alive BoJo.

    • “The whole plot thread for River Run/the Black Fish/Walder Frey was to give us Frey Pie”

      How? Arya didn’t know about all these events, and don’t care either. Walder Frey was on her top list.

      • Angie

        They couldn’t just drop the viewer into the finale at the Riverlands without some sort of pretext–(Think how weird it was to be in Dorne only in the beginning of the first episode/last episode) we haven’ seen the Frey’s since the end of season 3; it would have been jarring to just go there. Rather, they plotted from the beginning with several red herrings: Could the Blackfish get to Winterfell to help Sansa? Jamie would have stopped Cersei had he been in KL, also, it’s a bone to the book readers. 🙂

        • It’s true that the Riverrun plot gave some “meat” to the peripheral events, so to speak.

          • TrentC

            I saw what you did there.

            Well done…(not talking ’bout the pie…)

          • ;D

  • susan appleby

    How about Tommen going out the window like Bran so many seasons ago?

  • Nathaniel Turner DuBois

    What justification did the religious folk have for not letting people leave the trail. It seems like only the people on trail were required to be there. Everyone else should be able to come/go as they please.

    • Ali B

      *trial

  • Sam S.

    What an episode! Definitely surpasses last weeks episode by a long shot. I got chills in nearly every scene, which was accompanied by the incredible score. This is GoT at its finest and it is great to see this season go out on an incredibly high note.

  • Shai Vered

    “Are you shipping Septa Unella and The Mountain?” LOL

    • TrentC

      The Mountain was going to boink her for sure. Rob asked about torture? I guess that’s one way to look at it!

      • With his blue-green putrescent wiener ?
        she will turn into a Septa Umbrella

        • TrentC

          Death is the new Viagra 🙂

    • susan appleby

      Rob forgot that Oberon knew the mountain raped his sister and murdered two babies, one an infant. Oberon kept wanting the Mountain to confess if you remember the scene.

  • Laws

    Best episode of the show I think. As for PSR, maybe we could go for more commentary and focus next season; these podcasts are 50% off-topic jokes and 50% serious discussions of the episode.

    BTW, people keep saying that Margaery could have saved the people in the sept, but she only tried to escape a few minutes before the wildfire blew up an entire city district. None of them were getting out of there alive.

    • Derek_Sye

      I just want to strongly disagree with any call for more “focus.” I don’t listen to these podcast for a synopsis of the episode. It is the banter between the hosts that brings me back every time.

      • Laws

        You know in English class when they taught you the difference between statement and commentary?…

        There’s a big difference in stating what happened/recapping vs intelligent discussion/debate.

        Compare this podcast to the KIA’s. That show is focused on breaking down the episode and discussing it. This show is 60% bad puns.

        • susan appleby

          There are a number of focused Game of Thrones podcasts out there. This one will never be one of them. It started with Rob knowing absolutely nothing about the story so it was reaction and banter, not well focused analysis.

          More importantly, it is very difficult to do an in depth analysis of the show of this level of complexity right after it airs without much time for thought. This story is a completely different level than anything else Rob covers. I mean Survivor and Big Brother are limited, linear stories it’s very simple to podcast about them right after the show.

          • Laws

            As you correctly pointed out, there are multiple other podcasts that do it. In comparison, this one just doesn’t seem to have much substance.

          • susan appleby

            I think I just take this show more seriously than Rob does. He doesn’t seem to get attached to the characters as I do on any show to be honest.

            This episode was intense and a lot to process.

            I wish the show runners did a better job with pacing. The Arya story could have been moved up including the killing of the Freys, but I think they wanted her in the finale.

            I’m just happy there is no cliffhangers.

          • Laws

            GoT’s is generally considered the best show on TV rn. I just feel like, after Survivor, this should be a huge focus for RHAP.

            Good points though.

          • TrentC

            To touch on this, the other side of the discussion is that sometimes there can be too much analysis. I used to enjoy the show Battlestar Galactica and would read a site that recapped the show. They went so far into their various theories that they literally removed all of the fun out of watching.

            It’s fun to chat about good TV and make predictions, offer explanations for certain instances…but at the end of the day, only the script writers know why things happened or what’s going to happen next. Everything we do is pure speculation.

            I think Rob and Josh hit all of the important points of an episode and then offer further insight and explanations that they feel may be correct. They usually catch more things on the fly than I do, which helps me understand the show better.

          • susan appleby

            Battle star Galactica was my favorite show until that thing happens with Starbuck.never watched the show again.

          • TrentC

            BSG had such an uneven last season. Main characters dying, explanations for this, no explanations for that. I enjoyed it but thought it could have been done better with a little more time spent.

            I remember reading a board on Breaking Bad. Same scenario, they analyzed every second of screen time and ruined the show for me. Did you ever hear about the color theory? Certain characters would wear certain colors and fans thought it signified something really important. Finally one of the costumers said after the finale – Yes it means something…it means that the character Marie likes wearing purple most days lol!

            Again, I enjoy episode discussions but not to the point where people have 21 paragraph arguments over what a character ate for breakfast.

        • Derek_Sye

          You want a podcast strictly focused on intelligent discussion/debate from a show that is done hours after the episode airs? If you think that is realistic then perhaps you should go ahead and host it. I won’t be holding my breath.

          • Laws

            Jesus Christ. It’s my opinion. Don’t cry over it.

          • Derek_Sye

            I simply disagreed with your opinion and you responded by first insulting me and now projecting your emotional instability onto me. I should just let this go, but I have a morbid curiosity about where this will go next.

          • damnbueno

            You seem to draw this reaction out of people.

            I got a kick out of it, so thanks for that.

          • Derek_Sye

            I want to make something clear to you even if I have to break my rule about interacting with you to do it. I don’t request that you refrain from commenting on my posts because I hold any ill will towards you. It doesn’t come from a place of anger or disdain. I honestly have a lot of respect for your intelligence and the fervor with which you defend your opinions. However, I do feel that experience has born out a truth about our inability to interact without it slowly degenerating into insults and petty bickering. I fully admit that it is a flaw in my character as much as anything that causes this pattern to repeat, but no matter how I approach the situation I can’t seem to avoid it, so that is why I have tried to avoid the situation altogether. I really do hope you can understand and respect my decision.

          • damnbueno

            Its just to easy to get under your skin.

          • Derek_Sye

            I am once again trying to politely ask you to leave me alone. I don’t think it is unreasonable request to make of you. Hopefully I don’t have to make it again…

          • damnbueno

            Maybe one day I’ll forget exactly why you deserve the grief.

            Then again, maybe I won’t.

          • Derek_Sye

            I just found out that I can block you. Can’t believe I didn’t know this feature existed. Goodbye forever.

          • damnbueno

            That feature’s been around for a year. You’re a slow learner.

          • susan appleby

            The Bald Move people do a short instant take but they are extremely focused on the show and its intricacies. They even do a spoiler cast so they have a strong foundation for what might happen in the episode before it starts.
            They don’t take questions live though.

        • Dan C

          The puns have gotten annoying.

  • susan appleby

    I’m thinking Littlefinger should join forces with Lyanna Mormont.

    • Christine Larivière

      Lyanna/ Sweet Robin romance?

      • damnbueno

        She’ll beat him senseless using only two fingers.

        • J-me not Hi-me

          I was going to ask which “him” you meant, but I decided the answer was clearly “either”.

          • damnbueno

            I didn’t think about that, but you’re right.

            Two women I’d never screw around with are Lyanna and Arya.

  • J-me not Hi-me

    If you had told me before this episode that Septa Unella was going to get her comeuppance and I was NOT going to enjoy it, I wouldn’t have believed you.

  • TrentC

    Loved the episode and have an unpopular opinion too! Yes Tommen, Margaery and Loras died, which was very sad. For some reason though, the rest of the finale felt a little too positive in terms of tone. Like they were checking off some boxes (along with a great, positive sweeping musical score) and each one featured an outcome that we wanted to see. Same feelings about the penultimate episode last week.

    Don’t get me wrong, in my opinion both episodes are among the best we’ve seen in Game of Thrones. Just seems the tone has changed recently as opposed to past seasons.

    • J-me not Hi-me

      I don’t know, even some of the “happy” moments made me uneasy. Like, Jon being declared King in the North was reminiscent of the scene with Robb and Catelyn, and we all know how that turned out.

      Also, for the Arya/Frey pie scene I found myself worrying about where she got the face. Did she kill an innocent woman? Because that’s something she wasn’t down with three episodes ago.

      • easy. she took with her a bundle full of faces when she put the waif’s face on the shelf.

        • TrentC

          Pseudo-Arya from the finale was hot. She must be a 10+ when it comes to serving girls in that world.

      • TrentC

        I feel like we’ve seen some happy moments (people we like not dying, people we dislike getting offed) and then during the final season the playing field will be ‘neutral’ and anyone can go.

        One thing I am hoping for is that when the series is finally over, they leave enough intact for a movie or two.

      • Derek_Sye

        I completely agree. I don’t think we are supposed to consider Arya going deeper down a path of murder and revenge as a win.

        • TrentC

          We saw six of the main/beloved characters achieving their goals and more importantly, living. Jon won a supposedly unwinnable battle, Sansa is free from captivity and abuse, Bran got away from the White Walkers and met Benjen, Arya learned how to survive and defend herself, Tyrion and Dany forged a strong alliance and rebuilt her army.

          We don’t often see characters in Game of Thrones succeed to this degree in their various aspirations.

          Despite any perceived misgivings about Arya’s path, it was her goal and now she can defend herself. I wouldn’t phrase it as a win, rather a preferable outcome to what usually happens to young girls who are alone in that world.

          • Derek_Sye

            I don’t really disagree with you on the whole. I do think there is some subtlety to the direction in which these characters are headed though. As I stated Arya is headed in a very violent direction, one which we as an audience should be mindful of being too enthusiastic about. Sansa doesn’t appear to be on a very different path herself. The way which she killed Ramsay may have been satisfying on an emotional level, but it was truly horrific if you think about it rationally, and marks a really dark turn for that character. She may no longer be a victim, but if she gave up her humanity in the process then perhaps Ramsay really is a part of her now. Brann lost Hodor and Summer already this season so it is hard to see him as being entirely positive as well.

          • TrentC

            Yes I found the the tone is optimistic in comparison to past season events, while at the same time the characters are moving into darker territory just by virtue of the fact that they’re surviving in the world.

            I started reading the books and was amazed at how young the Starks are. Then again, if we compare the series to true medieval times, living past 30 was considered a long life.

            All of the younger Stark children, Bran, Arya, Sansa, have been aged exponentially by the events they’ve experienced. And yes agreed, they have been through truly horrific events which brings to mind the expression – sink or swim.

          • susan appleby

            Maybe the main players in the Game of Thrones can’t afford to have feelings? Is any main player who isn’t seriously damaged in some way and/ or has murdered someone? They are all a very messed up group of people.

    • Shai Vered

      I guess that after many seasons that everything bad happened to the “heroes”, it’s time for the villians to pay for what they did (Cersei in S05E10, Lord Frey, Ramsey, The High Sparrow and others this season).

      • TrentC

        That’s what I sensed too. In the past the series had been dark and had no problems killing off main/beloved characters. Now it seems like it’s time for some wins for the good guys.

    • susan appleby

      The point is that the Game. Of Thrones is terrifying. We have obtained revenge but we know the road forward won’t be easy. This is a pause before the grim returns.
      The King of the North scene echoed Robb’s to make us uneasy. Aryas face echoed the Waifs to make us she her as going to far.

      Plus, Cersei as Queen is terrifying. And we lost our brightest hope in Margeary and her influence over Tommen.

      • TrentC

        Agreed. I think Cersei will become one of the most terrifying characters during season seven.

        I see the overall arc of the series like this: The first few seasons featured shocking deaths and made the viewer understand that no character is invincible. Recently we’ve seen some wins where some of our favorite characters accomplished goals and dare I say, prospered. But at what cost to their humanity? As the end season(s) approach, I believe we’ll see the show revert back to the idea that no one is safe, no plot armor will be strong enough to prevent the deaths of any of the characters. I imagine the last few episodes will be tough to watch for quite a few reasons.

      • Christine Larivière

        I agree. The King of the North part brought back Robb’s demise. He had just learned about Bran and Rickon’s alleged deaths?Arya’s method of killing Walder Frey echoed Catelyn’s death and Walder made that Red Wedding speech.

  • Warn Silly

    The early part of this episode reminded me of Godfather Three too.

  • Buck Hondo

    How cool was it when Sam walked into the library at Oldtown and the Astrolabe from the opening credits sequence was hanging from the freakin’ ceiling?! Best cameo by an inanimate object this season.

  • Question for the GOT aficionados: Did Cersei wear a Lannister crown or a Baratheon crown ?

    • TrentC

      She’s wearing the Cwazy Crown now!

      Cersei vs Dany 2017 : Battle of the Badass Beaches

      • ;D
        A cat fight is coming

        • TrentC

          I wonder if they’d do that. Dany faces off against Cersie in the throne room and they throw punches and pull hair. No guards, no dragons, no weapons, just some sweet fisticuffs and headbutts from a couple of strong women.

          • and they will finish their fight in the mud.

          • TrentC

            *claps hands* Squire! Bring in the hot oil…and the jello.

            stop influencing me lol!

          • and you stop giving me ammunition. ;D

          • TrentC

            Okay serious now. Chain of events question.

            How do you think the Dany storyline/White Walkers storyline will play out in terms of timing?

            As in…will Dany go to King’s Landing first and have it out with Cersei, then go north to help fight the White Walkers

            or

            Will Dany start somewhere north, help battle the WW, then head south to claim the Iron Throne

            or

            Something else happens entirely?

          • I think something unexpected will happen. We will have a huge battleship between Dany’s fleet and Euron’s fleet. Then, a huge Kraken will appear and swallow both fleets. They will find themselves at world’s end.

            Oh sh*t! I am digressing. ;D

            Seriously? I think that the Cersei-Dany confrontation will be put aside until the season 7 finale.

            I think she will be “forced” to head North because of the imminence of the danger. the white walkers will probably succeed in breaking the Wall.

          • TrentC

            On the one hand I like it when television series have a firm end point. It’s horrible when a great show is cancelled without warning.

            I think similar to you. These people know how many episodes are left and where the story will go. It will probably be something that no one is anticipating.

            The game pieces are on the board, we assume Dany will arrive and fight the White Walkers at one point, and that Cersei will get some sort of comeuppance.

            When it reality, the last shot of the series could be the Night King sitting on the Iron Throne and smiling…

          • But what the Night’s king doesn’t know is that the iron throne is but a trap forged by the children to destroy him.

            in season 8, we will see all the dead, friends and foes fighting each other for the Ghost throne. Game of Ghosts.

          • TrentC

            If there’s a giant Stay Puft Marshmellow dude, I’m out

            I was just reading about how the Night King was made. The Children of the Forest created him to protect against The First Men, because the First Men were committing some deforestation offenses.

            Sooo Children, how is that ^^%$#@! working out for you? Numpties..

          • How come they didn’t think up about an Emergency stop push button when they created him.

          • TrentC

            Yeah I guess he was a product of someone’s mind….holy Wigler territory.

            I would have just threatened him with a long stick and a fire…

          • He has probably an Achiles’ hell…

          • TrentC

            That made me think…we get treated to a panoramic scene of Dany’s dragons flying over the snow covered northern wastes. Then a White Walker touches a dragon and freezes it solid. Then it breaks…

            *cue 20 million fans crying at home

          • High odds we will see this very seen in season 7. that would be awesome.

          • susan appleby

            No no. I’m good with where everything is right now. I feel this is the high point for positivity for this show- and this episode included: mass murder, child suicide, child murderers, torture and cannibalism.

          • TrentC

            Finally, someone agrees with me. The past two episodes have been the high point of positivity…for this show.

            #settingalowbar

          • To be honest, there was too much positivity in this season. Too much of a good stuff can kill you.
            Valar Morghulis.

          • TrentC

            I’m actually a show runner and trolling this board. Wanna know what really happens? 🙂

          • Frey pie. Not bad. It sounds juicy and yummy.
            He is lucky she didn’t Freyed chicken him

    • susan appleby
      • Thanks for the info Susan.

  • TrentC

    Random observation – I think Sansa is attractive. At times though, in certain lighting…she reminds me of Boy George back in the day.

    • Matt The Golem

      The actress is beautiful if you see her in X-Men movie or one of the many fun videos she posts.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD8yHoZgKq8

      • I shouldn’t watch this video. My wife wouldn’t approve.

        • susan appleby

          It’s just her answering a bunch of silly questions.

          • I know, but my reptilian brain is more interested in her body than in her speech. ;D

    • Derek_Sye

      I think that is a compliment to Boy George more than anything else.

  • Sarah Freeman

    There were a lot of parallels between Cersei and Dany this episode, from costume (black dress, shoulder ornamentation, silver chain across the collarbone) to Cersei seizing the iron throne though fire. Dany even says at one point that she said goodbye to somebody she loved and felt nothing, which seems to be exactly what happened with Cersei and Tommen. Where is the show going with this? Is Cersei a cautionary tale for Dany, and if so, does it mean Dany takes it as a lesson for how to rule better or does Dany ultimately renounce her claim to the throne to avoid the corruption of her own ambition?

    Also, I personally interpreted Sansa as renouncing her own claim to be Queen of the North because it would give Littlefinger too much power. She is already indebted to him, so the more power she has, the more he has indirectly. Once Bran makes his way back with the information that Jon is not Ned Stark’s son, I fully expect Littlefinger to discover this and use it to support Sansa’s claim, possibly against her will. (Granted at that point Bran would be the claimant to King in the North, but I am guessing that he will be ducking out of that pretty quickly.)

    • damnbueno

      Bran seems to have accepted his destiny to be the ext 3-eyed Raven. Does he even want to return to Winterfell to become King? It seems to me the only way he’d do this is if there is no more threat from the White Walkers.

      And if that threat is eliminated, does that actually mean that Bran’s Uncle Bejin (sp) have a claim to the throne (if he can cross south of the wall that is)?

      I’m not sure how the hierarchy works here. Is Sansa first in line because she’s the oldest, or does it go to the next male heir?

      • Sarah Freeman

        I think Bran has to go south of the wall to rally an army, so he will either go to the Wall or Winterfell once he hears the Boltons are gone. Ultimately, I think his next goal is Jon.

        Bran is the heir of Winterfell. It has been pretty consistently a male succession. But I think he will either officially renounce his claim (perhaps by taking the black?) or simply not reveal himself publicly.

        • TrentC

          Accession is dependent on the aristocracy. Some royal families will not recognize women in the son, son, daughter scenario. The queens have to be married into the family. The daughters become Princesses or Ladies at best.

          Some ruling families use the queen regent scenario where the king is dead and the heir isn’t considered old enough to rule.

          • damnbueno

            True, but we’re talking about the Game of Thrones world, not the real world.

          • TrentC

            It does seem to vary and change in the Game of Thrones world as well.

            Some kingdoms ignore the women, some like the Targaryens may allow the women into the line.

            As you mentioned, the rules seem to change for each area of the map.

          • Sarah Freeman

            Both in show and books it has been pretty clearly stated that Bran was Robb’s heir, and once he was presumed dead, Sansa, as the only known living Stark, was the one with the most claim. This episode fudged the politics in a way the books wouldn’t, but it seems that the Northern Houses like the cut of Jon’s jib enough to overlook his illegitimacy. That is going to be more difficult if he is revealed to be a nephew not a son.

          • TrentC

            I like the cut of your jib son…always creeps me out.

            Yes I’ve been mentioning that Bran is the next heir if considered alive, and somehow Sansa is getting thrown into the mix. And as you mention, now Jon is considered okay by the gathering of lords…it’s confusing.

            We could have a scenario where Jon is King of the North and mid battle Bran shows up. What then?

            I’m a casual fan when it comes to the books (have only read two so far) and the rules confuse me. Not only accession, but also the random left field claims for the throne.

          • susan appleby

            Well, right now Jon is king by acclimation and Ned always treated him as a son. Ican’t see Bran showing up mid battle.

            Cersei or the Iron Throne will never recognize Jon though so they are in rebellion against the Lannisters/ former Baratheon line.

          • susan appleby

            I though Robb legitimized Jon in the books at least?9

          • susan appleby

            The beauty of this show for me is that each area has a distinct culture. Different rules apply in different cultures.

        • damnbueno

          We’ve got a Queen in the house of Mormont, Cersei is Queen in King’s landing (instead of Jamie). Dorne has a Queen now too. And of course, there’s Danerys. Yara was under serious consideration for the Iron Islands too.

          Sansa didn’t seem to want the title. But since Ramsey had to be officially declared a Bolton before he could become a Lord, you’d think the same would be true about Jon Snow.

          It seems like each house makes up their own rules.

          • TrentC

            Lyanna Ariana Grande Mormont took over from her mom, the Lady of Bear Island. She is considered and called the Lady if that has any bearing on the queen issues.

            Jaime was a part of the Kingsguard and members couldn’t take office, have families or hold lands. Coincidentally, Tommen released Jaime from that position. Unfortunately is was a Baratheon as former king, then the accession carries down to his sons. Jaime is not supposed to be related to Joffre, Tommen so his claim to the throne is moot.

            Regarding Jon, either way he can’t have a legitimate claim to a throne. He’s a Snow bastard or a result of the pairing of a Stark woman and Targaryen man.

            I look at the accession like most fans. The Iron throne was held by a Targaryen, then Jaime killed him, then Robert Baratheon usurped the throne, then Baratheon’s ‘children’ Joffre and Tommen became king.

            The true heir should be Dany as she is the last Targaryen in line…but that’s only if the accession allows women.

          • damnbueno

            Thanks. I’ve been watching this show since the beginning, but there is a lot more to follow than on Survivor.

            Maybe they should let all the candidates for King/Queen compete in an Immunity Challenge.

          • TrentC

            As I was mentioning to Sarah, I’m a total casual when it comes to the books, superfan when it comes to the TV series. There’s people on this board who know a whole lot more than I do.

            Like that sequence with Young Ned in the Tower of Joy during the finale. I didn’t catch that Rhaegar Targaryen was Jon’s real father and Rhaegar was the guy who named the tower! Rhaegar was Dany’s brother and died before she was born.

          • susan appleby

            They do. Is just an extended and complicated one where the person who takes over is truly the “Survivor by outliving the murderous plans of everyone else.

          • susan appleby

            But isn’t Jon a Targareyn as well?

          • TrentC

            Yep, mentioned that above:

            “I didn’t catch that Rhaegar Targaryen was Jon’s real father…”

            Yes apparently he’s half Targaryen and Lyanna Stark (Ned’s sister) is his Mom.

          • susan appleby

            Wouldn’t Cersei be the one in line as Tommens mother? No one know or admits Jamie is his father.

  • James

    Will there have to be tangible evidence to support the claims of Bran’s visions regarding Jon’s parentage? I’m guessing many people will write Bran off as delusional without evidence. If so what proof could there be and who will find it? The nurse who was in the room delivering the baby? Howland Reed? Sam finds something at the citadel? Something in the crypt?

    • susan appleby

      Who is Bran going to tell? I’m guessing they will believe him without proof once he explains all the other things he has seen.

  • James

    How great does the story writing have to be where in one scene Cersei basically pulls off a King’s Landing version of 9/11 with horrific loss of life and in the next scene people are giddy that she exacts revenge on a nun by letting an 7 foot tall zombie rape her? It’s crazy that both situations don’t generate the same exact level of horror even though both are absolutely horrific.

    • susan appleby

      Please don’t minimize 9/11 by comparing it to a fictional event on a tv show. They aren’t anywhere close it the same thing.

    • Andiamo

      Has giddy been the reaction? I haven’t heard a lot of feedback, but I was a little surprised by the joking about it. I wanted to see the Faith Militant get their comeuppance, so I was with the Septa Unella scene until the implied rape with the Mountain. I think we were meant to walk away from that scene being horrified by what Cersei is capable of.

      • susan appleby

        Agreed. It’s horrifying. I would have been satisfied if Cercei had gotten her to confess the pleasure she derived from humiliating and torturing Cercei. The saddest part is that if Cercei hadn’t involved the Mountain, she could have gone to Tommen or at least left the mountain with him.

      • TrentC

        Ever since Cersei did the walk of shame, I envisioned a similar form of retribution. Only that the torture/payback would be directed at the High Sparrow.

        I was okay with the Septa/Mountain scene because it was implied, they didn’t languish for even a second showing the coupling. And when I say okay, I mean as a viewer it was powerful and illustrated the depths of Cersei’s hate and creativity with her revenge. Game of Thrones kills helpless mothers with dogs and children by the hand of knights, it’s never been a show for the meek.

        • Ali B

          Oh. I thought torture. Rape actually didn’t cross my mind. Oh.

        • Christine Larivière

          So Loras and Lancel get haircuts and primitive tattoos but no naked walks of shame? She might have a point, but still.

          • TrentC

            Hey, those cool tattoos cost at least three smokes when you’re in jail.

            Did you enjoy the drive-by knifing of Lancel? Like they wanted him to witness the wildfire ignition..

          • Christine Larivière

            That one seemed personal. As I rewatch over holiday, I will look for the little waif in scenes with Lancel.

          • TrentC

            I was really looking forward to whatever plan Margaery had to help Loras/retaliate against the High Sparrow. Speaking of which, Loras sure got a raw deal in the last few months of his life.

            Kind of disheartening to read that link above and find out they needed a way to ‘clear the board’ in King’s Landing and blowing it up worked well.

          • Christine Larivière

            I wanted to hear her plan, but Olenna is still there. Poor Loras. He really was broken down.

            Let’s not forget that poor prostitute was never paid by Pycelle.

          • TrentC

            You don’t miss a thing do you? lol

            Speaking of which, I’m finally comprehending the intent of your post up there talking about Lancel and Loras…you wanted to see the Weeners of Westoros! Naughty monkey.

          • Christine Larivière

            Dirty mind–just a double standard.They cut that beautiful hair! Both had lucious locks.

            Seriously, what is the relationship between Qyburn and Varys? I was surprised to see the little birds.

          • TrentC

            Yes those double standards do exist unfortunately (for you). Don’t fret, they’ll be doing a nude Walder Frey autopsy scene.

            Quick Wikia read on Qyburn tells me he was punted from the Maester’s Union for ‘illegal experimentation on humans’. That doesn’t sound good.

            He has to be involved with the little birds and by default, Varys. Perhaps there are different flocks of little birds, some bad and some really horrible? Varys is off on a boat crossing the Narrow Sea so Qyburn had to be the sole influence and coordinator of the little birds and the wildfire experiment.

          • Christine Larivière

            Ah, yes. There was a lengthy seen this season which I just watched on YouTube. It was interesting that he offers sweets from Dorne to them. He took over looking after the children after Varys left. I am curious to see where this goes. Qyburn is working with Cersei and Varys with the Sandsnakes and Olenna. Playing both sides?

          • TrentC

            Good find. From what you mention here, Varys is definitely playing both sides if he’s with Dany right now and also in league with Qyburn. Qyburn seems to be only affiliated with Cersei right now, but since he’s looking after the children, it must be reciprocal with Varys.

            re: Sandsnakes and Olenna. Do you think they’re going to ally with each other after that contentious conversation they had? Olenna was making me laugh with her snarky attitude. I thought she may be cut in half before the scene was over.

          • Christine Larivière

            She put that Whalerider girl in her place. That was a great scene. I think Olenna will need help to exact her revenge.

          • susan appleby

            Varys isn’t in league with Qyburn. Qyburn is all about Cercei and Varys helped Turion escape. He would tell Cercei everything.

          • Christine Larivière

            Maybe Qyburn can bring back Walder so we can have a Whitewalker Wedding.

          • TrentC

            Arya has probably already got his face in her backpack. Speaking of which, for some reason I was imagining that when any of the Faceless Men do the mask thing, that the face only looks good to them. To the outside world it’s really just a bloody, badly cut, smelly hunk of flesh that kinda/sorta resembles a face with eye holes…and bad hair attached.

          • Christine Larivière

            Hmmm…Arya posing as Walder Frey: “The Starks send their regards.” He’s a bad guy but a colorful, crusty bad guy.

          • TrentC

            Again, a four foot two person with a hunk of dead flesh over her head saying – Hey look at me I’m Walder Frey bend your knee and pay me homage you peons!

            Spectators – Who is that weird girl and wtf has she got on her face??

            Seriously, Arya had such a perfect look on her face when she killed Walder and if she said – The Starks send their regards – it would have been divine.

  • susan appleby

    On a rewatch, I feel Tyrions speech to Dany is the true highlight on the show. He is fantastic as always.
    Plus he gives the speech explaining the entire season: what happens to people who have belief. And maybe he sets himself upfor his own future downfall by his starting to believe in Dany as a queen.

  • Nathaniel Turner DuBois

    Where was the Kings guard prior to the Mountain preventing Tommen from going to the church?

    • susan appleby

      In the sept? Isn’t the Kings Guard now the high sparrows army?
      I’m so confused as to the armies and navies.

      • Nathaniel Turner DuBois

        Even if they are High Sparrow army guys, there should always be 4-5 guys with the King at all times.

        • susan appleby

          Good point. Maybe the Mountain got rid of them??

  • susan appleby

    Can someone explain where the armies are now? It seems that many of them have Ben depleted or destroyed.
    All I know for sure: Dany and Martell and sand Snakes together (but Martel in Kings Landing?)
    The Lannister army back in kings landing
    And Euron building a navy.

    What about Blackfish army (Tully) that Surrendered? Are they Lanastwr or Jons?
    The Freys? Still at the twins?
    The Tyrell : still at Kings Landing but going to be helping Dany?
    The wildings- are they still an army?
    The north? Stannis old army? Anyone left from the army that fought the Boltons? What about the Bolton army?

  • Sofie Fatale

    What an amazing episode! Possibly the best hour of TV ever. I was so hyped afterwards I couldn’t sit still. I’m really looking forward to rewatching the episode. My only uncertainty is Sansa, what was that look about, the one between her and Littlefinger? It seems to me that she willingly gave up the Winterfell-throne to Jon, and she rejected Littlefingers advances, but then why wouldn’t she be happy to see Littlefinger sulking over the outcome? Also, now I’m feeling pretty confident that Jaime will kill Cersei, that way his story will come full circle. And he seemed pretty unimpressed with her…

    • TrentC

      It seemed to me that Sansa was teasing Littlefinger. She didn’t outright say no to him and it felt like she was leaving it open.

      Cersei vs anyone is going to be a pretty amazing story. Jaime did not look impressed with her and what she had done.

  • Renee Margaux

    Ramsey Bolton Vicious ? Just a quick note on how brilliant Iwan Rheon was in the roll of such a ‘love to hate’ character. If you need to see the near polar opposite role Iwan can portray, check out VICIOUS (BBC comedy) where Ash is a naïve, simple-minded man whose mom & dad are in prison for murder and his best mates are two old gay men. The episodes where filmed and aired between 2013-2016, just like his GOT eps.

    • TrentC

      I first saw Iwan Rheon on the British show Misfits.

      Talk about a diametrically opposed character lol!

    • He’s a brilliant actor.

  • Christine Larivière

    No one said it, so I will…this season we’ve lost a few bad guys. RIP Bruce Bolton and Walter Frey. I miss the early days when Rob botched the names, but he’s come a long way, baby.

  • TrentC

    I’m glad someone else picked up on that small interaction with Sansa. I think you’re right. She knows Littlefinger is up to no good and she didn’t want to flat out discourage him, as I think she needs him to do something for her…

    I hope Dany comes flying into the throne room on a dragon and roasts Cersie in front of the court. I have a feeling that Cersei is going to do all sorts of crazy/cruel things now, something came unhinged after Tommen died.

  • Ali B

    Ages ago Dany said to Jorah that the dragons were her children, the only children she would ever have. So is Jon Snow the only way for the Targeryan line to continue?