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Game Of Thrones Book Club: Spoiler Discussion Of “The Wars To Come”

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Josh Wigler (@roundhoward) and Terri Schwartz (@terri_schwartz) kick off the first week of their GAME OF THRONES BOOK CLUB season five coverage, beginning the premiere episode, “The Wars to Come.” Join Josh and Terri live to ask them your questions and send your comments about the season premiere, and what we expect to see in the episodes ahead.

SPOILER WARNING: The GAME OF THRONES BOOK CLUB podcasts are meant for people who have read George R.R. Martin’s novels that HBO takes its cues from. Proceed with caution!

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  • toast

    The Governor is coming to Westros???? Holy OMFG!

  • Brendan Fitzpatrick

    Wait, so…Do we think Littlefinger and Sansa are riding to Winterfell? And Stannis is rallying to Ride on Winterfell. Um..Shit’s gonna get crazy in the north this season! Is Sansa, definitely, taking the place of “Fake Arya”, and going to wed Ramsay? I really like this idea.

  • Brendan Fitzpatrick

    Damn the prophecy scene
    was great, but they left out, the most crucial part to understanding cercei’s character. which was, “you will be killed by a younger brother”
    She thinks it’s tyrion
    that’s her entire driving force in the books
    but they didn’t say that on the show, why?

    • Brendan Fitzpatrick

      Maybe there’s a second flashback where the prophecy gets finished? But it certainly seeemed over.

    • I’m thinking it might be a similar sort of thing to what Josh was saying about GRRM really loves and maybe overdoes the [thing A] is something/someone but through a series of complicated happenings it’s actually [thing B/C/D etc]. The valonqar thing of Cersei so clearly thinking it must be Tyrion, and almost certainly it’s probably going to be someone like say the Hound. I think the show just might not want to complicate matters similar to the Mance thing of ‘why complicate matters with glamor body switching when we can give Mance a clean death and have Tormund go to WF’.

    • Tom Oosterbroek
  • Brendan Fitzpatrick

    Wow, they brought in Ciaran Hines for 3 tent scenes and a death in the first episode of season 5. What the hell? Can you break down Mance’s death as opposed to the books? I don’t quite remember how that went down in Dance.

  • Brendan Fitzpatrick

    Fun question…Since we are doing the flashback thing this season…Do you think there’s any chance we get some Rheagar? What would be the best Flashback you’d want to see?

  • Brendan Fitzpatrick

    Are Maggie the Frog, and Ghost of Highheart the same person? And Wasn’t Maggie supposed to be an “Old Crone”?

  • Brendan Fitzpatrick

    Sam and Gilly had a nice conversation about being sent away. So Jon is totally going to send them away this season, like he does in the books. Question is, will he send him to Old Town? Or will they change it for the show?

  • hint

    I stopped listening last book club ep about half way though since I found it tad too spoilery for my taste with all the insights Terri had then. Now I’m afraid I’ll get this stuff from everywhere tho 🙁

  • Tom Oosterbroek

    So, Josh, Terri, how do you guys feel about the storylines and characters that are not being shown in the series? Do you think it is safe to assume that those storylines and characters will ‘fizzle’ in the books? A certain blue haired individual won;t be in the season at all. What do you guys this will mean for the character in the books? I find it hard to imagine he will be successful in the books if he isn’t in the show by now. If anything, I think this season of Game of Thrones will spoil things for us bookreaders, more than ever before. What a weird change that is, right?


      In that article, GRRM says he’s just come up with a big twist for a major character that the show won’t be able to do because of choices they’ve made. Could be someone like Aegon, could be anyone. But, what I got out of that was GRRM doesn’t have fixed storylines in mind for the remaining 1 and a half books he still needs to finish, he may even completely change his own end game he told D&D. So I think rather than spoil the books, the show will just go it’s own way and be it’s own separate thing for all seasons after this one.

    • Tom Oosterbroek
  • belinda

    While I understand some of the changes were neccessary for the show to be functional as a tv show, I really detest all the articles written about it, how the show is throwing the book out and it’s going to make the show even more awesome. Like, sure there may be some changes that would be beneficial (the later books definitely could have used a bit or a lot of editing, for example, and realistically speaking it would be impossible to have a cast with that many characters, so some changes are important and necessary, etc) definitely, but it fails to acknowledge that some changes aren’t really good.

    Like the change in Cersei’s prophecy changes and oversimplifies Cersei as a character (as did the changes with how Cersei and Jaime interacted after their last get together, which was also changed as well from the books), and her motivations now feel more confusing than it was in the books and doesn’t make sense, other than a generalized ‘oh, Cersei’s dumb and she’s a bitch, so that’s why she’s doing crazy stuff’ (which isn’t to say Cersei’s not woefully shortsighted or not a bitch in the books, but her actions aren’t just based on that, it’s based on things that get left out in the show). For all the faults the books have, one thing that I always admire about them is that the actions always made sense to who the character is and what they’ve been through, even if I don’t agree with said action. But the tv show sometimes run into the typical tv show problem where it feels like a character is doing something because the plot demands it so, rather than because it made sense for them to think to do xyz. (and because they’re cutting a lot of characters out from the books and attaching their plotlines to other characters, there are times when it really does feel plot devicey since they are just jamming a character into a plot that wasn’t meant for them in the first place).

    And idk, I just hope the show doesn’t run into the problem of changing for the sake of changing and being different from the books, because while some changes are welcome and/or understandable, others feel a bit superfluous, such as the cersei prophecy – there’s really no logistical reason to leave that out.