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Game of Thrones Book Club: Spoiler Discussion of ‘The Laws of Gods and Men’



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Josh Wigler and Terri Schwartz look at the depiction of Game of Thrones Season 4, Episode 5 in comparison to George R. R. Martin’s “A Storm of Swords”

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  • LosPollosHermanos

    another great ep.

  • hint

    I can’t wait to see the new Mountain and the fight scene. That new guy they casted is not only big, but is actually one of the strongest men on the planet. So they have a chance to use his natural athletic abilities to make some really awesome and realistic looking stuff there if they want to.

  • Josh Wigler
    • Rory

      If this is true, do you think it improves the story?

      • Josh Wigler

        Gotta see how it plays out, but potentially, yeah. It keeps Dany as the sole surviving Targaryen proper, it preserves the enormous horror of the sack of King’s Landing (meaning that in this scenario, Baby Aegon really did die; I thought it was a little cheap to bring him back here), and it gives some real meat to the bones Varys’ plot.

        • Rory

          Yeah the Varys motivation is a big selling point for me, but I have trouble getting past the fact that he didn’t tell Kevan Lannister. It also seems a bit strange that we don’t get more Blackfyre history in the main series. I mean, if you haven’t read Dunk & Egg, the Blackfyre reveal won’t be anywhere near as meaningful. I’m pretty sure the word “Blackfyre” hasn’t even been uttered in the show.

          Anyway I’m looking forward to seeing which of the historical events (Azor Ahai, Dance of Dragons, Tragedy at Summerhall, Tourney at Harrenhal, Blackfyre rebellion, etc) will be most significant to the main story.

    • EricD

      Whether Aegon is a Blackfyre or not, I’m just pumped about all the potential here. Two Targaryen invasions of Westeros seem to be in the cards! And how will they interplay with each other? Does Dany join forces with Aegon or do they become enemies? This question is all the more complex if Aegon is indeed a Blackfyre. Perhaps we have another War of Five Kings type of situation brewing.

  • Josh Wigler

    The Chrono Trigger trial scene that kept playing in my head while watching Tyrion this week:

  • Josh Wigler

    Regarding GRRM’s original plans for Feast/Dance, and his original vision for a Dorne/Iron Islands-heavy prologue (from the ASOIAF wiki):

    “The fourth book, tentatively titled A Dance with Dragons, was to focus on Daenerys Targaryen’s return to Westeros and the associated conflicts. Martin wanted to set this story five years after A Storm of Swords so that the younger characters could grow older and the dragons grow larger.

    “… A long prologue was to establish what had happened in the meantime, initially just as one chapter of Aeron Damphair on the Iron Islands at the Kingsmoot. Since the events on the Iron Islands were to have an impact in the book and could not be told with existing POV characters, Martin eventually introduced three new viewpoints.

    “… After working on the book for about a year, Martin realized he needed an additional interim book, which he called A Feast for Crows. The book would pick up the story immediately after the third book, and Martin scrapped the idea of a five-year gap. The material of the written 250-page prologue was mixed in as new viewpoint characters from Dorne and the Iron Islands.”

  • Josh Wigler

    And here’s a bump for The Meereenese Blot, which Zany pointed out in the comments of last week’s show. This is really detailed, and incredibly compelling stuff:

  • Kristján Guðmundsson

    Good show. Tyrion should have been saving the kitties of the people of Kings Landing, Would have had an not guilty verdict in the bag.

  • Rory

    The reading material is great to add to the discussion, thanks Josh.

    Re: Shae, I just read the below in an article on The Wire: “Shae looked half in terror as the gold cloaks formed up around her,” Tyrion notes to himself as Shae is taken away after her condemning testimony. “Her eyes met Tyrion’s as they marched her from the wall. Was it shame he saw there, or fear? He wondered what Cersei had promised her.”

    This passage is actually more suggestive than the show in implying Shae was coerced.