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Game of Thrones Season 4 Episode 2 Recap: The Lion and the Rose

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Join Rob Cesternino (@robcesternino) and Josh Wigler (@roundhoward) as they recap episode 2 of season 4 of Game of Thrones, The Lion and the Rose.  In this recap Rob and Josh discuss the major plot points of the episode which included:

  • Ramsey Snow has a new girlfriend and a new hobby.  He is out hunting a woman with Theon aka Reek in tow.
  • As Jaime and Tyrion are eating breakfast Jaime confesses that he is struggling to fight with only his left hand.  Tyrion sends Bronn to work with Jaime as a secret sword fighting coach.
  • As Roose Bolton and fat wife Lady Waldor return home they get updated from Ramsey about what’s been going on in his absense.   Roose gets to see what Ramsey has done to Theon for the first time and Roose Bolton is not happy. Ramsey makes Theon shave him to demonstrate Theon’s obedience to him.  Ramsey even tells Theon about Robb Stark to try to provoke him as he gets a shave but Theon doesn’t attempt to hurt him.  Ramsey gets sent on a mission to find Bran and Rickon up at the wall with Jon Snow.
  • Tyrion gets infromed that the truth about Shae has been found out from Varys. Tyrion says it’s no big deal but Varys says he can’t lie about it.
  • At a pre-wedding breakfast, Cersei tells Tywin about Shae, Tywin says to take her to the Tower of the Hand.  Tyrion gives Joffrey a book for his wedding.  Tywin gives Joffrey a Valyrian steel sword made from Ned Starks melted down weapon.  Joffrey then uses the sword to destroy Tyrion’s book.  King Joffrey says using the sword will be like cutting off Ned’s Starks head all over again.
  • Tyrion meets with Shae and says “Our Friendship can’t continue”.  Tyrion says he needs to do right by her.  Tyrion tells her “you’re a whore” and asks “How many men have you been with?”  He tells her, “You’ll have a comfortable life in Pentos” as Bronn escorts her to her ship.
  • Over in Dragonstone, Melisandra leads a Burning of men. Stannis talks with Davos about the burning of Stannis’ brother-in-law.  Stannis’ wife was very pumped up to see her brother executed.  Over dinner at Stannis house, Stannis’ wife thinks fondly of a soup Stannis made from books and delicious grilled seagulls.  Stannis’ wife worries about her daughter’s soul.  Melisandra wants to talk to her.  Melisandra visits with Stannis’ daughter.  She askes Melisandra about the seven hells and Melisandra explains that there is only one hell, the one we live in now.
  • Bran is hunting as the dire wolf.  Jojen Reed tells him to be more careful and not be worging his life away.  Bran puts his hand on the tree and he hears “look for me beneath the tree”.  Bran says “I know where we need to go”.
  • Back in King’s Landing it’s time for a Royal Wedding!!  After the ceremony we hear from Tywin and Lady Olenna as they discuss the finances of the throne.
  • Bronn tells Tyrion that Shae is gone but Rob and Josh wonder if the fact that Bronn didn’t see her ship leave means she may be back.
  • Lady Olenna talks with Sansa about how badly she feels.  Lady Olenna comments “what sort of a monster would kill a man at a wedding”?
  • Joffrey throws coins at the organ player.  Joffrey introduces Margaery and says the leftovers will be given to the poorest.  The Red Viper makes eyes at Sir Loras.  Jaime talks to Sir Loras about the wedding Cersei.  If you marry Cersei she’ll murder you. Jaime tells him “You’ll never marry” and Loras responds, “And neither will you”.
  • Brienne wishes good fortune to King Joffrey and Margaery which leads to Cersei talking with Brienne.  Cersei calls out Brienne that she loves Jaime.
  • Cersei talks with Maester Pycell to tell him to take the leftovers to the kennels instead of to the poor as Margaery instructed.
  • Joffrey tells everyone to knock off the hat off of Sir Dantos’ head.
  • Prince Oberyn Martell talks with Cersei and Tywin.  In this very awkward conversation, The prince lets the Lannisters know how he is unhappy with them and taunts Cersei by calling her “former queen”.
  • Joffrey says there has been too much amusement and wants to contemplate history.  Joffrey has a war of 5 Kings re-enactment from Dwarves.  Loras and Margaery don’t think this is funny.  Tyrion wants to pay everyone 20 gold.  Sansa has a blank stare watching this show.  Tyrion challenges Joffrey to fight the performers which leads to Joffrey pouring his wine on Tyrion’s head.  Joffrey kicks his goblet and tells Tyrion to fetch it.  Joffrey demands that Tyrion should “Kneel before your king”.
  • Finally, desert arrives and Joffrey cuts open a huge pie.  Joffrey starts choking.  It becomes clear that Joffrey has been poisoned and dies almost instantly.  Cersei says that Tyrion poisoned Joffrey as Tyrion looks very guilty in the eyes of all who are at the wedding.
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  • Jason

    I delayed the Mad Men season premier to come decompress with you guys. Great episode, great recap, great fun in the chat room. Keep up the good work! I don’t know how Mad Men is going to follow the death of the True King. Who’s in the mood for some quiet, existential anguish?!

  • Andrew Garcilazo

    Here’s a theory (haven’t read the books): Maybe Dontos telling Sansa to come with him was quick thinking on his part because he foresaw that Tyrion would be a prime suspect in Joffery’s death. If that were case, Dontos would have nothing to do with the poisoning.

    • Shari

      In the books, Sansa and Dontos actually would have several meetings together and discuss the possibility of her escape from King’s Landing. And he was the one who gave her the hairnet she wore at the wedding. You can see her wearing it when Margaery’s grandmother talks to her on the show. This is supposedly how the poison was smuggled into the wedding, inside the brooch of Sansa’s purple hairnet, which is some of the many reasons why people call it the “Purple Wedding”.

      • Zany

        I hope one of the mods sees this and deletes it before Rob sees. What a fucking tool, posting spoilers. Having said that, even if you do happen to read that spoiler Rob, there’s still a lot more to the story that we’ll find out early on in episode 3.

    • Trixie02

      EVERYONE: PLEASE DO NOT READ SHARI’S COMMENT BELOW IF YOU WISH TO REMAIN SPOILER-FREE. Right click on the – sign to the right of it to collapse it. Then, flag it for removal, please.

    • Thanks for the heads up about a spoiler in the comments below this post. I’ve changed the moderation settings now that flagging a comment once will remove it from the page.

      • Trixie02

        Thanks, Rob. I hope immature people don’t abuse that.

        • Like anything, we can adjust policy based on new information.

    • Andrew Garcilazo

      What a dirt squirrel move by Shari…

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    • Josh Wigler


  • Marc

    Rob, I’m starting to buy into your drug dealer strategy. Podrick looks hooked on the meereenese knot girl. Too bad squire doesn’t get paid and it won’t help when his master is a suspect for the murder of the king.

  • Zany

    - The girl Ramsay was chasing as well as his new lady-friend are definitely the two woman who seduced Theon last season

    – Ramsay bared his neck and gave Reek a razor specifically as a
    test of his obedience, he’s so mentally broken with PTSD or whatever that he knows how to do nothing other than obey

    – Ramsay actually (*GRAPHIC IMAGERY AHEAD*) rapes the corpses of the girls he hunts before he feeds them to the dogs. No surprise HBO skipped out on that.

    – Bran can’t fully control Summer, it’s more like a merged consciousness. It takes a long time to gain control like Orell.

    – Not really consequential, but in the books Littlefinger is the one who helps organise the dwarves before he leaves as a ‘sorry I couldn’t be there’ gift

    – The pie closeup (on a rewatch of the scene) is to show that Joff accidentally(?) cut off the head of one of the pigeons as he sliced open the pie

    – HBO did a brilliant job with the wedding, and in fact all of
    the evidence is there if you watch closely. A true Whodunnit like you said Rob, just with less Giles :(

    Great job you two! Looking forward to next week and the possible additional coverage throughout the season that we were teased with.

    • Trixie02

      Great comment, Zany.

    • Thank you very much for this this, Zany!

    • toast

      The Wedding was very Shot Shot Mr Burns. Everyone pointing out their own motives.

      If the clues are in the show, okay, then I think I know whodunnit.
      I guess I’ll find out if I am right in a week or two.

  • Me

    Ramsay Snow. Not Bolton. Which is a huge deal for him.

  • Trixie02

    Jack Gleeson, the actor who plays Joffrey gave a great interview at University College Dublin if anyone is interested. It’s on YouTube.

  • Lisa

    Your description of Bran reminds me of the Avatar movie ;).

    • Branvatar?

      • Lisa

        Certainly sounds better than Jake “Shake” Sully.

  • Trixie02

    Margaery is the Sandra Diaz-Twine of dead husbands; she might go for a third win. Beware, Josh.

  • BJ

    Am i the only one who hates Ramsay more than Joffrey? (still hates him tho). Joffrey is just another character consumed with power (which is not the first, hence the name ‘mad king’, also Stannis is quite similar but a much more mature and reasonable one). Of course, combine it with him being a bully and a jerk (raised by an equally f’d up mother) makes him a perfectly designed character to hate. Ramsay on the other hand, is just a weird and disgusting human being with all his fetishes and love for tortures. Between a bully and a psychopath torturer, I am more comfortable watching a bully. After all Ramsay did, I hope his death is more satisfying than just a poison. Also, huge props to Jack Gleeson, he was incredible at playing Joffrey, played him with so much swag, cockiness and immaturity. Perfect casting, brings so much hate to the character.

  • Rory

    Normally I think Bronn is overused and overrated in the show, but I think he’s a pretty good choice in lieu of Ilyn Payne.

  • Clark

    Fun to watch, as always! My one critique: Josh saying he doesn’t remember Ramsay’s girl from the books is inadvertently spoilery in that we now know she’s not that important to the plot, but big kudos for keeping the cat in the bag about who offed Joff!

    • Josh Wigler

      Sorry! I honestly couldn’t place her at the time. In fact, I don’t believe she’s in the books at all, which doesn’t mean she won’t be important — both Ros and Talisa were created specifically for the show and had big roles while they were on. You never fully know what’s going to happen on this show.

      • Clark

        No problem! You and Rob’s blurring of the lines between my two favorite universes (Game of Thrones and Survivor) is pretty much the best thing ever. Case in point: Dontos isn’t going into #ninjastealthmode any time soon.

  • Ryan Oakley

    I think it’s worth noting that Joff’s death was purposefully unsatisfying. Everyone wants to see Arya stab him, Jon behead him, Sansa push him off a roof, something with justice. Instead we get a 13 year old child choking in his mother’s arms. We’re still left hungry for justice, which will only make it more satisfying when or if it comes.

    Also, from reddit: