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Game of Thrones Season 4 Episode 4 Recap: Oathkeeper


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LIVE at 10:15 pm ET / 7:15 pm PT, Rob Cesternino and Josh Wigler recap of Game of Thrones Season 4, Episode 4 to discuss: Oathkeeper. Join us each Sunday Night LIVE after the episode for the chance to hear our recap and ask your questions LIVE on the show.

In this week’s recap, Rob and Josh discuss:

In this episode Rob and Josh discuss a number of topics on this Game of Thrones Recap:

  • Josh points out that there were major differences between the Game of Thrones books and what happened in the game of thrones TV show with the white walker at the end of the episode. The baby from Craster’s Keep that was taken by a white walker is original material not from the books which is a real curveball for Game of Thrones fans
  • The show spells out this week that Lord Peter Balish aka Littlefinger was working with Lady Olenna of House Tyrell and they were who poisoned King Joffrey at the Purple Wedding. Rob and Josh discuss the clues that showed what Lady Olenna had done as she explained the murder to Lady Margaery
  • Rob and Josh discuss the rape scene that was depicted last week between Cersei and Jaime Lannister. Rob wonders if the show did not intend for the fan reaction to be that Jaime is a rapist and asks if it was just a poorly executed scene. While Jaime was upset with Jaime about visiting Tyrion and not wanting to kill Sansa – she doesn’t seem to be sour about the incident from Game of Thrones, Season 4 Episode 3.

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Game of Thrones Season 4 Episode 4 Recap: Oathkeeper Review

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  • Marcelo Sparano

    Rob, the voicemail podcast u guys could have special guests like Stephen Fishbach, eliza, antonio mazzaro…

  • Zany

    Rob, can I just say how impressed I am with how much knowledge you’ve acquired about the series? Little things stand out to me, like remembering Lysa Arryn used to be Lysa Tully, knowing Missandei’s name (when in the season 3 recap you always just called her the translator), understanding how rare Valyrian Steel swords are, being aware of the Targaryen history… Sounds like you’re doing a bit of research outside of the show, and it’s really showing!
    Also, definitely get Antonio Mazzaro involved in one or two of the feedback segments 🙂

    • I love the show and I have been doing a lot of research. I’ve watched a ton of YouTube videos this week. I also am trying to take better notes too during the episode. Thanks!

      • Jason

        You’re getting too smart for me! I need my Game of Thrones dumbed down! I’m already confused enough.

  • Trixie02

    Maybe a whitewalker baby is like a pawn; it can become a queen or something.

  • Trixie02

    I’m sure the process of getting the slaves to write “Kill the masters” was similar to “Romanes eunt domus.”John Cleese must have helped with the grammar.

    • susan appleby

      There was never a written version of the fake language created for the show. They don’t have a written alphabet.

  • Kevin

    I was expecting Locke to say “Don’t tell me what I can’t do” when Jon said he won’t bring a recruit to Craster’s. Is he going to kidnap Bran thus interfering yet another Stark’s reunion? What about Sansa and Arya, will they finally meet in the eyrie? Can’t wait for next episode, I hope they don’t kill Grenn or Pyp!

  • Meb

    “Kill the masters” was probably written in the common tongue because unfortunately a script for Valyrian does not exist 🙁

    • susan appleby

      Yes! It isn’t even a complete language. Just words and phrases.

      • Meb

        yeahh, it is a complete-ish language, I mean David J Peterson has developed a full grammar for it, but he has not been allowed to create a script.

  • sanjayP

    Was it just me, or did these “white-walkers” seem different from the white walkers we have encountered on the show in the past? He was very gentle with the baby and the way he was cradling and handling him. Also, the baby didn’t seem very frightened of the “white-walker” even before he did that trick to make his eyes blue.

    I re-watched this scene a number of times and the baby almost appeared to give a smile or a smirk when the “white-walker” was holding him at that ceremony or whatever the ending was…

    • toast

      Seems to be levels of White Walker.
      There’s simple Zombie dead people.
      Then the purer, Zombie Horseman who carried the baby back. I think he might be a baby turned into a Walker.
      Then… we’ve been shown the pure White Walker. Not a zombie human, it’s a separate species of some sort.

    • Trixie02

      Could it be a parent turned into a whitewalker in the same way? I noticed the ring of ice that looked like a ceremonial circle, which makes me think it is a shaman of sorts (as someone mentioned) or part of an older religion that rivals the others.

      What happens to the people the whitewalkers kill? So many questions.

  • Linus Wesley

    Josh, there’s something that would be great if you could clarify on the podcast, because I feel like a lot of people don’t actually understand it and maybe it’s easier to know if you’ve read the books. It’s the difference between the White Walkers and their zombie minions. Maybe I’m wrong, but I think some people believe that the huge army Sam encountered at the end of season 2 consisted entirely of White Walkers and basically that White Walkers are zombies that turn other people into White Walker Zombies.

    To me it seems like the White Walkers are sentient beings, like humans or any fictional humanoid race. They have magical properties and are somehow able to turn dead bodies into mindless zombies that don’t seem to be capable of much other than walking and killing.

    It seemed like Rob thought that the White Walker at the end of the episode turned the baby into a zombie (because you were discussing whether or not it would keep growing) but could it be that the White Walkers are turning these babies into White Walkers and raising them as their own?

  • max

    Hey Rob I’m a huge fan of the shows on PSR and RHAP. I really love listening in every week, and this is my first season following the Game of Thrones recaps in addition to all of the Survivor content on I really don’t mean to sound nit-picky, but you do ask for feedback so I finally am giving some.

    I think you spend a little too much time on these GoT recaps talking about some really mundane things that aren’t of any significance. These podcasts are already pretty long as it is, granted there’s a lot to talk about, but I think going into great detail as to “where did Dany find that flag?” really takes away from the podcasts as a whole. I listen to the show for all of the in-depth discussions and analysis, and often find myself skipping ahead when you guys get too off-track about these incredibly minor details, especially for a show with as wide of a scope as GoT, because there are many other things that could be talked about.

    One other point, I may be in the minority about this, but I think pointing out which characters are/aren’t in the books, or what did/didn’t happen in the books, is kind of a pseudo-spoiler. I know many fans wish to watch the show without the perspective of the books, but hearing things like “Locke” never goes with Jon Snow in the books allows us to infer on what is going to happen in future scenes, and ruins a little bit of the suspense.

    I hope this wasn’t too mean. I really do enjoy the show a lot, and really look forward to listening to many many more of your shows.
    All the best,


    P.S. Tony was my preseason pick, u jelly?

    • Very jelly, thanks for the comment! I’ll try not to get too sidetracked – it’s a little difficult for me if you haven’t noticed.

      • Meb

        Getting sidetracked on the details is a lot of fun; it’s usually super entertaining, and often not insignificant at all! Please don’t stop!

      • Ashwin

        Hey Rob, loved the way you and Josh present your material, and obviously you can’t keep all your fans loving everything you say, but I personally love when you do talk about things others wouldn’t even consider talking about, it makes it more entertaining than “another” in-depth review show, always brings me a chuckle when you question Josh on something just not quite right and us viewers demand an answer (like where the heck did those catapults come from 🙂 Please don’t change anything. Huge Survivor (go Spencer!) and House of cards fan as well.

      • Marcelo Sparano

        I disagree with everything that guy said! The fun of the podcast for me is when u talk about silly things like where the hell did Dany find that flag. And I love when Josh talks about the books, because it isnt spoiler. But it helps to understand the episode better. PLEASE DONT STOP

        • susan appleby

          Agreed. There are a million podcasts that look at the deep meanings of every thing.

          I like rob and josh talking about things the casual viewer might notice and question.

        • Iamthedriving

          Seriously – If we wanted a dry recap of only the MAJOR points of the episode, we can go read a wikipedia summary. Podcasts like this one are the new Television Without Pity recaps of the world – where a lot of the fun comes from talking about mundane things.

          Also, telling us AFTER the event plays out on the screen whether or not its in the books/that a character on the show isn’t in the books/that something is handled differently in the books – not a spoiler since they don’t give away what actions are upcoming.

          I know it’s hard to ignore a listener’s opinion/feedback since they are your target audience but man, treat Max’s feedback like he’s Rickon and you are every single person in Westeros.

      • Linus Wesley

        Yes, talking about what does and doesn’t happen in the books might be a bit spoilery in a way, but I think it’s very interesting to know and much safer to have Josh tell us rather than try to look it up ourselves. So while knowing that the current Craster mission didn’t happen in the books spoils it in that it wouldn’t seem like anything too bad will happen to anyone important, they could very well relocate and repackage some of the action from the books to give it more impact and suspense and kill characters off here instead of somewhere else.
        So I definitely think it should be part of the conversation. Don’t change a thing!

  • Rory

    To add to Rob’s point about Jaime, in the book when Jaime pushes Bran out the window, he’s not so chipper about it. Rather, he’s annoyed and disgusted at what he has to do. (If he didn’t push Bran, Robert would surely have killed Cersei, Jaime and probably their kids too.) At the time, you still hate him for it, but it’s easier to forgive in retrospect.

    I find the director’s comments on the rape pretty perplexing. Even if Cersei eventually consented it was still rape at the start.

    I disagree with Josh about the changes from the book. The latter half of the third book has no shortage of interesting content, and they seem to be rocketing through some of these storylines and padding out others. Plus most of the TV-only stuff they’ve added in the past few episodes is full of plot holes.

    Also, can someone please explain how Rast and Khal Karl (Carrrrrllllll) managed to subdue and capture the biggest, strongest and most stealthy of the direwolves?

    • bahstonfilmcritic

      Presumably the other direwolf was captured by falling in the pit.

      • Rory

        Ok, so Rast digs a direwolf trap (for some reason), then lures and traps Ghost (who didn’t sense the trap even though direwolves can sense impending danger) then somehow wrestles him into a cage? I just don’t buy it.

        • bahstonfilmcritic

          You seem to know more about the nature of direwolves than me. I’m not a book reader. Just an interested viewer.

          That said, I could easily imagine that a pit that large was dug to capture a variety of game and/or wildlings – not specifically for direwolves. It may very well have been dug by Craster before the Crows arrived.

          As for how it was brought into the cage… Maybe you starve the beast into submission. Maybe you lace some meat with milk of the poppie. That failing – credit the Lord of Light.

  • Inigo Montoya

    Great Podcast Rob and Josh. And thank you Rob for recommending those Comic book girls 19 videos on YouTube. They are awesome!
    So it looks like in the next few episodes the Start kids will finally be reunited (fingers crossed). About Bloody time.
    One thing I noticed about that last scene with the White Walker turning the Baby into one of them, the walker that touched the Baby’s face had horns on its forehead like a crown. King of the walkers perhaps? And the actual location looked so f***ing scary! I think i would rather be a real White Walker than some mindless dead person that has been turned into a zombie. So can people only be turned into White Walkers when they are babies? And fully grown humans can only be turned into the mindless zombies that do the White Walkers bidding?
    Keep up the great work guys and I am looking forward to the extra GOT podcast


    • Trixie02

      I commented below before reading this, but perhaps you are right. There was something ritualistic about the scene. It may tie into gaining strength by sacrificing the purest of beings as well.

  • Tom

    Rob!!! You dropped a massive Walking Dead spoiler with no warning at all! (love your work tho keep it up 🙂 )

  • belinda

    I don’t think the rape was ever not rape on the show … or in the books, for that matter. I often feel annoyed because in discussions about last week’s episode people always bring up the fact that book readers are outraged by the ‘change’; but as a book reader, I thought the book scene in question was rather dubious at best to begin with – so I actually found it made a whole lot more sense having the show just straight up depict it as rape (much like how Dany/Drogo was depicted as rape in the show whereas it was magic unicorn sex in the books (and to bring it back to Jaime/Cersei that scene in the books was much more questionable than D/D with Cersei having objected and Jaime not caring and continuing to do things and then Cersei ~becomes receptive …all according to Jaime as it was his PoV chapter) but lbr that was by our definiting rape as well.

    And with this episode, sure, we don’t see Cersei hiding from Jaime – but it’s Westeros and Cersei we’re talking about here, Cersei who have endured rapes from Robert and didn’t hide from him, just took her sweet time to execute all her revenge like bearing none of his children and killing him later on, and emotionally shut him out from then on out. Here, she shuts out Jaime, addressing him as the kingsguard only, and requests him to go kill Sansa (but conveniently that also means she basically asked him to leave King’s Landing away from her). I don’t think this confirms at all that the show is saying, oh, last week was just some rough sex here.

    The book never used the word rape, but whatever you want to call it, dubious consent or ~turned consensul or rough sex, it was something that clearly broke the trust between these two characters, and that seems like it was always the intention to begin with.

    It never really changed my perception of Jaime either, nor do I think it affects Jaime’s arc from hereafter. By definition really no one character in the books is a saint, and I still feel like people are most upset with the “change” because they had a skewed ‘knight in shining armor’ image of Jaime to begin with (and usually places the blame on Cersei in regards to any of Jaime’s bad decisions…which is unfortunate) which was never really the point of Jaime as a character. He is capable of some very good things and some very terrible things, and the decision making process (of him and of all the other characters), whether it’s a good or bad decision, and how it fits into the bigger scope of things, is the interesting part. That hasn’t changed.

    Not that I’m a Cersei apologist either. I’m not even a huge huge fan of her as a character either, though not because she has done a bunch of horrible things (I love Littlefinger, for e.g., and he is probably the worst, really, in the scheme of things) – but because I think she’s a good schemer, but not the best schemer and she doesn’t seem to realize her schemes are generally pretty transparent (which is kind of tragic) – but I think her arc later on makes a lot of sense if she lost her trust in Jaime after what she took as a violation.

  • Michael Eales

    Just to clarify one thing is that the Lannisters did use to have a valyrian steel sword called Brightroar but it was taken to Valyria by Tommen the second but never returned. Tywin’s brother, Gerion attempted to recover the sword but didnt return as well. Gerion was Tyrion’s favourite uncle as he didn’t tease him and supports him as a Lannister. Just some extra info for people to know 🙂