Game of Thrones | Season 5 Finale LIVE Recap June 13, 2015 podcast://podone.noxsolutions.com/launchpod/postshowrecaps/mp3/20150614-GOT-510-finale_mixdown.mp3 Listen to the Podcast Download Watch the Show on YouTube – RSVP for this and future LIVE Events Rob Cesternino and Josh Wigler recap the Game of Thrones Season 5 Episode 10, the finale, with a review of “Mother’s Mercy”. Subscribe to Post Show Recaps Subscribe to Post Show Recaps Subscribe on Apple Podcasts toast It feels like the season has just gotten started. Steve season 5 is OVER, but Rob’s just getting started LosPollosHermanos ‘You want a good girl but you need bad pu**y’ Well THAT is clearly the most ridiculous line of the entire series. Fitting it came from Dorne, the weakest region/production they’ve ever done. Entire finale was one big WTF LosPollosHermanos Cersei’s walk was by far the most well done scene of the episode and one of the best of the series. Funny enough, really the only scene tonight straight from the book Matt The Golem Arya’s scenes were great. How is ‘fornication’ a crime? All the common folk must be indulging in it too. I just don’t get how they suddenly all became followers of this strict and viscious religious cult. Laws Cersei’s walk is my favorite scene from the books. I think, of all the scenes I’ve anticipated and been a little disappointed by – the Red Wedding, Dany taking Astapor, Dany flying off on Drogon – this was the most well-executed big moment the show has ever done. That shot of the Mountain carrying her off… Laws I think people will complain about this episode, but I thought almost every scene was gold. Loved Stannis’ Macbethian decent and Brienne performing the coup d’etat with Oatherkeeper. And to everyone who thought the book readers would be clueless after this season, they’re clearing moving a number of unused plotlines forward to next year. Johnny So do D&D still think the series can be concluded after season seven? Matt The Golem Of course it can be concluded. Season 6 Daenerys rises to power, gathers all the armies and defeats the white walkers. Season 7 winter is over, spring has sprung. No longer needed, Daenerys cannot hold power and since she’s ‘broken the wheel’ of the ruling families, the people rise up and bring democracy to Westeros. Tom Oosterbroek https://goo.gl/eMa6HQ&ridi Tom Oosterbroek https://goo.gl/pivW8Z&qjfe Tom Oosterbroek https://goo.gl/Eb5h7o&zjbor mr. banana grabber I think the question about the CGI in Cersei’s walk had less to do with the crowd of people than the fact that Lena Headey used a body double for the nudity. Steve Davis She was pregnant mr. banana grabber But was the CGI planting of her face over that of the body double convincing? Tom Oosterbroek I think it was pretty good. It was noticable to me, but not very distracting. You could pretty much tell what they were going for with the angles they used during the scrubbing scene anyway. LosPollosHermanos I think the Lord of Light sacrifice worked – burning Shireen improved the weather – but there are unforseen circumstances, like half the army deserting a man who burned his own daughter. Mel is often correct, just not in the way she thinks. She interprets her visions incorrectly. She said tonight that she sees Bolton flags burning. That will still happen likely, but it’s not Stannis doing it. Johnny Too bad Melisandre never had a chance to read The Fifth Discipline. Matt The Golem Temporarily improving the weather seems pretty weak considering the sacrifice. Another smoke monster to kill Roose and maybe Ramsey would have been much more effective. ALSO: after Ramsey’s attack, how could the sell-swords steal all the horses and sneak away at night?! Stannis was not much of a military commander if that could happen. LosPollosHermanos Simple answer? The show doesn’t make sense. Tom Oosterbroek The Sandsnakes are fracking morons. Killing Myrcella with a time delayed poison while the fudging heir to Dorne is on the same ship? They killed their nephew. Hes a dead man. Good job, Retards. Weakest season of GoT so far. With some book knowledge it becomes almost nonsensical. Reynaldo Hernandez Aponte I hated this season, all these nonsense decisions by the characters because of all the deviations. I’m a Stannis fan. They murdered Stannis, also Barristan the Bold, the Baratheons. Trixie02 Another hot guy bites the dust… susan appleby Right. Still miss this guy: susan appleby I’m finding that writing Game of Thrones is much harder than the tv show people think, or have the aptitude for creating. George R R Martin is a genius. These guys are tv show writers. Taking on plotting the story has been a bad idea, whether George RR Martin consulted with them or not. Nathan This has been my favourite season by far! I haven’t read the books either so maybe that affects perceptions Reynaldo Hernandez Aponte Loved the walk of shame,little sympathy for Cersei, I saw the parallel between her and Sansa, and now she’s protected by Astaroth.. errr I mean Sir Robert Strong. Wow so Stannis storyline was all for naught? Tom Oosterbroek The only good scene in this episode really. Lena Headey can act. toast Ahh well. I had a Theory that Stannis was it. In two seasons time, Stannis would be on the Throne, Dany and everyone else defeated. Glad I didn’t write that here last week. Trixie02 When your dire wolf’s name is Ghost and you’re killed Caesar-style, you’re coming back…hopefully as a White Walker, but any old resurrection will do. Trixie02 Is Arya’s blindness more or less a metaphorical rite of passage to becoming a true faceless one as in “blind but now I see”? swift00001 U hit it right on the head, as a matter of fact shes gonna sing amazing grace in the 1st episode of season6 Trixie02 Hahaha. Perhaps Coldplay can add that to the “musical.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs7xO5P3Az4 Matt Campbell I’m not sure how I feel about discussing how long Jon will stay dead for. It’s not spoilers or anything, but, as book readers like you say Josh we’ve had a good 2-3 years to speculate what happens next and let that last Jon chapter sink in for a while. I’m sure the show fully intended for the show watchers to think Jon was dead for good and for that to be very very emotional for people to deal with. Josh Wigler Fair enough, Matt. I’ve heard the same criticism from a few people. From where I’m sitting, everything right now is pure speculation/theorizing, because we straight-up don’t know what’s going to happen next. I will be shocked if Jon does not come back, but it is entirely possible that this is the end of the line. We just don’t know yet. This is the first opportunity I’ve had to publicly talk about Game of Thrones without having ANY real knowledge of what happens next, so it’s new ground for me. My guess is as good (or bad) as anyone’s at this point. Matt Campbell Anyone who can recite the 1996/1997 story arc of Ash & Charizard can say anything they damn well please in my book. I agree Jon is coming back, I’d just like to see if show-only viewers can get to that thinking on their own. Josh Wigler Well, maybe we’re both wrong about Jon, and we’re the ones who have some delayed grieving to do in about 10 months! Matt Campbell Heh the amount of times i’m wrong equates to GoT fatalities, so mayyyyybe Angie The death (or not) of Jon could be a huge divergence from the books that we’re just not aware of yet–leading to all kinds of questions about the real end game… But ever since Arya/Hound/Mellisandre watched Thoros bring Barrick Dondarrian back to life in season 2, I’ve been waiting for it to matter..I think it’s one of those moments that the show will only do once…hence, no L.S. Matt Campbell I guess the other thing pointing in the favor of the show having Jon permanently dead is that out of anyone Kit Harrington looks like he could make it big and be a big Box Office draw, and now would be good for him to try and strike while the iron’s hot. susan appleby Given the way Game of Thrones the tv show has done horrible things to every one of my favorite characters, I’m going with dead. George RR Martin tends to dispose of characters and then bring in someone new. My vote is dead. (If I was the author, I might not bring him back just to screw with the fans predictions for my story. This story is going to go in ways we can’t predict or foresee.) And, if he was brought back after death, would you want that? I learned my lesson about bringing people back to life from that time Buffy brought back her Mom on Buffy the Vampire slayer years ago. Matt Campbell I would want that yeah because as opposed to Stannis who was in a true win or you die situation the whole season, there is still a lot up in the air with Jon that needs to be resolved. I really don’t think Jon & the Night’s King moment would be for nothing – that was way too poignant. Steve He’s dead! Martin was just screwing with us in that interview. http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-snow-really-dead Sophia Well, I think the show was way more clear than the books in showing that yeah, he’s dead. The thing is… is he going to stay dead? I don’t think he will. But it’s not like Kit and D&D are going to say “Oh yeah, we were just playing with you, he’s coming back”, they’ll try to keep it under wraps as much as possible. Ejay18 i read an interview of kit harrington with entertainment weekly where he said that he will not be back next season.. do you think that’s just him trying to throw people off of him coming back from the dead? swift00001 I read that to, but why would he say “no worries I’m not dead it was supposed to be a cliff hanger”.. So I believe that article holds no weight LosPollosHermanos Season 3 and 4 were the peak of this show for me. Season 5 makes no sense. It’s not just that things are so different from the books (they are), but even ON the show, there are so many things that make NO sense. The problem is the writers just write for the BIG MOMENTS! and ignore all the setup and subtlety in between The betrayal of LC Jon Snow makes really no sense in the show. In the books we can at least understand why. Here, it’s like wtf? Also the creators completely seemed to forget that Thorne was someone as they had setup that while he hated Jon personally he respected Jon. Made no sense for Thorne to be involved. Rob – keep reading the books! Matt Campbell Agreed on all counts swift00001 No no, there has been info around for a while now I guess that Cerseis walk of shame was not going to b her and instead of body double, i think it was an Asian lady I believe. Chlsea_1905 yeah, even without hearing any rumors I was pretty sure it was not her. The body didn’t even really “match up” to Lena’s body. She is much smaller 😉 Steve I hope that it’s not going to become a trope that little kids kill main characters. I will not cite examples to respect this spoiler free zone. Goodbye grandma Major duke lacrosse I really thought Cersei was going to get rescued by mountain Frankenstein like a tank through the city. Guess not. Also, Where is my #1 character the Hound?!?! Wait, maybe that wasen’t the mountain, maybe the Hound? swift00001 They shouldve just not let jon thru the wall last episode. Now they have all the wildlings to deal with since the let them thru. Poor, poor planning SamMuray Brienne has every reason to kill Stannis and none to spare him, but she might want to have a conversation with him before doing so. She seemed unsatisfied with Stannis not saying any last words (their characters are alike in many ways), so maybe she wants to hear his side of the story first and a lot may happen then. Wishful thinking maybe, but Stannis being dead seems too dull. Many big characters died, but their (connected) side of story continued and the deaths had major impact on the way story moved on, for Stannis – if that was just the end of it – it would seem like investing too much for nothing, they could’ve just cut the most it then. I think in one of the previous podcasts Josh mentioned the probability of covering Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell, is it off the table or any plans? LosPollosHermanos YES to JS and MN coverage Austin No way Jon Snow stays dead and his death isn’t just shock value. Assuming Jon is raised from the dead he is free from his oath to the black and can go anywhere he wishes. Matt The Golem And where would Jon go? Austin IDK there are a lot of possibilities. Most likely to avenge his family since in the books he is trying to save someone who is Sansa’s position right now. However, he doesn’t even know about Sansa in the show. He could leave to find an army to fight the white walkers (maybe Dani?) Or he could go look for Bran. the possibilities are endless with Jon Snow. Rubicon Josh, nice Tarantino mention. toast Dani surrounded by a new army of muscular nomadic horsemen… Sigh. More delaying tactics on her plotline. Fricken invade Westeros already. Matt The Golem I thought it was a good callback to an earlier season finale in which she was surrounded by followers calling her “Myhsa”. These horsemen don’t look nearly as friendly. She can’t even defeat a bunch of urban thugs in gold masks, she’s not nearly ready to take on an entire continent. jon dunn Basically every question Rob brought up this week was a good one. The reason some of this stuff doesn’t seem to make any sense is that it does NOT make sense in the show. Tom Oosterbroek https://goo.gl/RmQ6A9&iniwu Matt The Golem Best line of the episode came from Daario, about Grey Worm: “He’s the toughest man with no balls I ever met”. And GW’s glare back is perfect. What are some other good one-liners from the episode and season? Kolohe 1) “Fewer.” “Huh?” “Nothing.” 2) “I’m glad the End of the World is working out for somebody” 3) “Can I drink myself to death on the road to Meereen?” 4) “I’ve had an exciting life. I want my death to be boring” Dan C Drogon Lv. 40 Fire/Dragon Flamethrower Tail Whip Scary Face Fly Dani has to level him up to learn Fire Blast or Seismic Toss. Tom Oosterbroek https://goo.gl/AH3kQZ&pamj Ian Scott Alexander So funny!