Seinfeld: The Betrayal | Episode 164 Recap Podcast


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Rob Cesternino and Akiva Wienerkur continue their journey to watch every Seinfeld episode as they discuss Season 9, Episode 8, “The Betrayal.”

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Emails –  Finally, Chester chimed in with an array of takes.  Amir thought George only wanted Nina because Jerry never got her.  Dan the benefactor had Newman’s back when Jerry insulted him in his own apartment, noting that Jerry was out of line.  Alex pointed out a continuity error based on a crossover episode of Mad About You.  Vicki asked if either of them have tried clams casino.  Lindsay asked if they’ve attended a destination wedding.  Ariel asked if they think the episode would still be funny if watched in normal order, to which Akiva decided Mike Bloom needs to test the theory.  Leading off as always, Johnny De Silveira asked how Jerry and George decided they would go to India for a wedding they weren’t invited to.
Episode Ranking – 12
Kramer’s storyline – While he is invited to go, Kramer stays home from the trip to India to deal with a problem he is having with FDR (Romanowski).  Kramer attended FDR’s birthday party, but when he blew out his candles, he gave Kramer an evil look.  He reveals to Kramer later that he wished Kramer would drop dead.  Desperate to get this jinx off of him, Kramer tries to take Newman’s wish, then tries wishing wells, eye lashes, and wishbone.  In the end, FDR was just upset about Kramer hitting him with a snowball, so Kramer agreed to let FDR hit him with one to even up the score.  Grade: Akiva – 2 sari’s in a sock, Rob – 2 sari’s in a sock   
Elaine’s Storyline – Elaine has been invited to attend Sue Ellen Mischke’s wedding in India, though she suspects Sue Ellen invited her last minute as an “unvitation”. She buys tickets for them all to go, but Kramer declines, leaving George to take his new girlfriend Nina.  Soon after arriving, Elaine discovers she had a romantic relationship with the Pinter, the groom to be, years ago when he went by the name Peter.  She swears Jerry to secrecy, but he tells George who shouts it out during the wedding ceremony, causing Sue Ellen to call off the wedding.  Grade: Akiva – 3.5 sari’s in a sock, Rob – 3 sari’s in a sock
George’s Storyline – George wants Jerry to set him up with a woman he used to date named Nina.  But when he met her on the street, he was wearing boots that made him taller, leaving him compelled to keep wearing them every time he sees her.  When Kramer decides not to go to India, George jumps at the chance to bring Nina.  While in India, George notices Jerry acting strange, so he gets Elaine drunk so she can spill the beans.  She tells him Jerry did sleep with Nina, but he can’t say anything.  When chaos starts to ensue at the wedding, George brought the whole thing to a halt when he shouted out how Elaine had slept with Pinter.  Nina revealed she didn’t like either of them, and only wanted a free trip to India.  Grade: Akiva – 3.5 sari’s in a sock, Rob – 3 sari’s in a sock
Jerry’s Storyline Jerry agrees to set up George with a woman he used to date but never slept with. He liked her, but didn’t connect because they communicated so well, there were never awkward pauses.  When he talks with her about George, there is an awkward pause, and they sleep with each other right there.  Elaine finds out, but agrees to never tell George.  Jerry goes along to Sue Ellen’s wedding with Elaine, and while there, he gets Elaine drunk so she’ll reveal what George has been upset about.  She tells him George got her drunk and she spilled the beans about  Nina and Jerry.  Grade: Akiva – 3.5 sari’s in a sock, Rob – 3 sari’s in a sock
Rob Cesternino and Akiva Wienerkur laced up their big boots and are ready to bring you the next Seinfeld Post Show Recap. This time the guys discussed “The Betrayal”, which first aired November 20, 1997 as part of season nine. The episode was written by Peter Mehlman and David Mandel.
Seinfeld Post Show Recaps: The Betrayal



  • Giovanni Orellana

    This was one of your most iconic Seinfeld podcasts or podcasts in general.

    You guys really have analyzed the show to death. As a That 70’s Show fan, I can say that there was not an episode like The Betrayal, however, Wayne Knight (Newman) appeared in one of the shows best episodes. I would love to see that podcast if you ever tackle That 70’s Show.

  • Suzi!

    Very good! Love you guys.

    Guys with earrings is going out of style ~

  • Craig

    I was hoping you guys would deliver a good episode for this very special episode, and you knocked it out of the park. An episode that will be a highlight of the entire podcast run. Once again I will throw praise at Scott St. Pierre for his great editing. Hearing the opening at the end of the podcast as Rob says he’s going into the news was so wacky.

    So bummed I didn’t get a question in this great episode. Would have been really awesome.

    There were some shows that were doing some good high concept episodes at the time, but nothing close to what Seinfeld was doing. NewsRadio was a real notable stand out here. They did one episode where the show was set in the sinking of the Titanic, and another where the entire show was the same, only the news room was set in space.

    Rob, I am a huge fan of yours, but I have to agree with Jeff on the nitpicking thing. It works on Survivor, but on other shows, you do really nitpick a lot of things. I don’t mind it, as I like that stuff and I would probably do that if I had a podcast, and for podcasts like Fear the Walking Dead, your nitpicking can be better than watching the show, but never the less the nitpicking does get on my nerves sometimes. Like when you spent so much time talking about how Jerry had tomato juice in his apartment and how it was weird in The Chicken Roaster.

    How can Akiva say Ansel Elgort is not an A-list actor. He’s Cyclops in X-Men, and he’s the title character of Baby in the up-coming Baby Driver which looks awesome. If he is not an A-list actor he will be soon.

    • Anna

      Ansel Elgort was not in X-Men…but I agree he’s definitely an A-list actor among teens from being in The Fault in Our Stars and Divergent and now with Baby Driver his popularity will only grow

      • Craig

        My mistake on the X-men thing. That was Tye Sheridan. They do look a little alike. But Elgort is I feel in this case only a couple of days away from really breaking through.

  • Gal Baum

    Great job by Scott, Rob and Akiva!

    Akiva, are you in Israel? You should do a Live Seinfeld Podcast. I can be the crowd.

  • Hornacek

    As soon as this episode “started” I knew I would love it. I’m sure Rob and Akiva decided on its format long ago, or others had requested this, but after the first episode of the 9th season Rob asked listeners to suggest things they could do for the rest of the season 9 episodes to shake things up. I emailed this suggestion to Rob, so I’m just going to go ahead and tell myself it was all me. 🙂

    As a proud Nova Scotian I waited for Rob or Akiva to mention my province. Oh well.

    As far as ranking thus episode and comparing it to other shows, the one that came to mind was Community. For awhile it seemed like every third episode they were doing something that broke the format and did something crazy.

    I love the format of this episode – I wrote these comments as I listened and had to go back and delete most of them, as most of my complaints were resolved by “the end” of the episode, very fitting given the format of the Seinfeld episode.

    I was a bit disappointed that the recap section was uncut and not separated – cut it up the same way the episode scenes were cut. However, that may have made it unlistenable (but I would have given it a shot) and taken a lot longer to edit together. I guess I’m happy with it as it is.

    I have to disagree with Rob and Akiva about how funny this episode is. Yes, there aren’t any iconic lines/scenes, but there are a lot of Seinfeld episodes that don’t have an iconic line/scene and are still great episodes. The reverse order of the entire episode *is* the iconic scene! And while I don’t think this episode is extremely funny, it’s still pretty funny – there are a lot of laughs here, most coming from the format, but they are there.

    This is the first episode of this podcast that once it was over, I wanted to listen to it again immediately. I loved how things talked about in the beginning of the episode made sense as you got nearer “the end” (Topher Grace, Sopranos prequel). Would be nice if there was a correct-chronological-order version of this episode put out too.

    Bravo to Rob and Akiva for this, and also the editor (whose name is escaping me, sorry).


    Jeez, Akiva. Get yourself to British Columbia and you will quickly realise the error of your ignorance.

    Amazing podcast, boys!

  • Hornacek

    Just watched the episode and listened to the podcast again. I could easily watch and re-listen to both a third time – so much to enjoy and get out of both.

    Regarding the giant lollipop that Kramer is eating, Rob asks why Kramer is eating the lollipop and Akiva says “to show it getting bigger as the episode continues”. During the “last” scene at FDR’s party (the first one chronologically), you can see at least one other person at the party with a lollipop. So the lollipops were given out at the party – that’s why Kramer has it in subsequent (i.e. earlier) scenes.

  • DamienX207

    Brilliantly done, dudes — particularly loved the Topher throughline