Seinfeld: The Outing | Episode 57 Recap Podcast


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Rob Cesternino and Akiva Wienerkur continue their journey to watch every Seinfeld episode as they discuss Season 4, Episode 17, “The Outing.”

Rob Cesternino and Akiva Wienerkur have spent the last year, and plan to spend the next two and a half more recapping each and every Seinfeld episode, not that there is anything wrong with that. This week, they’ll discuss “The Outing” which first aired February 11, 1993 as part of season four. This was one of the more famous episodes because the subject matter at the time was not talked about.

Akiva starts off the show by sharing a bit of current news in the Seinfeld universe. In addition to the show being released on Hulu, the one and only Soup Nazi showed up at the replica apartment that was on display in New York City this week. He also is currently appearing in a Pepsi Max commercial in Israel as his character. Lastly, a reporter who ranked all the episodes this week accidentally left out one, convincing Akiva that his rankings list will remain the “go-to”.

Rob wanted to introduce a new segment to the show this week, asking a Seinfeld Scene It question to Akiva each week. Akiva got this week’s question incorrect, affirming his claim that this isn’t the Seinfeld Know-It-Alls.

Jerry’s opening standup is a bit about birthdays being a celebration of not dying. The episode opens with George on a date with a woman Allison who can’t go on living without George. In the next scene, George is telling this story to Elaine, then they discuss how Elaine is getting Jerry a two line phone and George is getting him tickets to Guys and Dolls for his birthday. Jerry comes back from the payphone where he was setting up an interview with a college reporter. They have some random conversation about ugly people. While talking, Elaine figures out that the woman at the table next to them is eavesdropping, so she spices up the conversation by fake outing Jerry and George as being gay. George plays along, but Jerry is reluctant.

Back at the apartment, George is excited to share that if he were a porn star, his name would be Buck Naked. He asks Jerry what he thinks about his sweater, and Jerry hates it. When the reporter Sharon comes up for the interview, Jerry recognizes her, but not as the woman eavesdropping at the diner. As they are talking, she asks to talk to George too, which doesn’t seem out of the ordinary because they are co-writing a script for NBC. After a few petty arguments between Jerry and George, Sharon remarks that she and her boyfriend are the same way. When she asks them if their parents “know”, Jerry finally puts it together that she was the one they were feeding the fake story about being gay. Sharon scrambles out of there, with Jerry and George trying anything to refute this.

In the next scene, Elaine offers to talk to Sharon to set the story straight. Kramer comes in with a two line phone for Jerry’s birthday, ruining Elaine’s present idea. When Sharon calls, she tells him that she won’t report that they are gay, but when he puts her on hold to take George’s call, she overhears him sarcastically say that they “fooled” her into thinking they are straight. Jerry learns that she heard him on the other line when George confirms he heard him when he switched over to talk to Sharon.

Elaine goes to fix things with Sharon, but it goes terribly when Elaine refuses to take her coat off. Next, Jerry is opening his birthday gifts, and balks at George’s since it tickets to a Broadway show. George points out that the show is called Guys and Dolls, not Guys and Guys. Elaine, having to find a new gift since Kramer gave him the two line phone, gets him the collective works of Bette Midler.

Jerry notices a couple guys pointing at him, and they learn that Sharon did report they were gay, then the Associated Press ran the story as well. Jerry is upset, adding “not that there’s anything wrong with that”. Kramer comes in, upset that they didn’t share their secret with him. George picks up the phone and it’s Jerry’s mom, who thinks this confirms the story she read, adding “not that there’s anything wrong with that”. His dad comments that Jerry’s gay because Helen made him wear culottes.

After George hangs up, he runs out of the apartment yelling about his mom finding out this information. There is a shot for shot remake of his mom in a hospital bed, there from hearing the news about George being gay. Rob thought this was the best scene of the episode.

At the diner, Jerry decides he is going to skip out on Guys and Dolls. A military man walks up to Jerry and tells him that in light of his story, he is going to come out of the closet himself. After, Jerry and George are loudly arguing, causing the manager to tell them to quiet down. Rob found this scene to be a head scratcher, feeling it didn’t fit in with the rest of the episode.

Later on, George decides to have Allison read the article, but she doesn’t seem to get that it says they are gay, so he has to point it out to her. Meanwhile, Jerry is on his couch kissing Sharon, only to have George burst in with Allison to further the idea they are gay so he can get out of dating Allison. When Sharon storms out and Allison isn’t buying the story, George tells her that he’s actually a porn actor named Buck Naked. The episode ends with Kramer walking in to his apartment with a good looking guy there to fix the phone. The final standup is a bit about gay guys being thin, single and neat.

In 2015, a few things would be different about this episode. Sharon would have been able to look up Jerry on the internet, and if there was a rumor about Jerry being gay, it wouldn’t be a big deal. Also, it might not be considered politically correct to say “not that there’s anything wrong with that” nowadays. Rob and Akiva were both convinced that this is a pivotal episode in the series. Rob thought this was the second best episode of those covered so far in his loose rankings, but Akiva slotted it as his fifth best at number 15 overall.

As always, there were some emails this week. Stephanie B emailed to talk about George’s poor social skills being based on his need to be involved in all conversations, like adding his father is gay in this episode, or the bouillabaisse comment from last episode. Frequent emailer Johnny De Silveira answered the question they wondered about airports. He said that many fast food restaurants will buy space at a terminal, but he wasn’t sure if restaurants have deals with specific airlines. He also asked what the proper way for George and Jerry to discuss the reporter that wouldn’t have been misconstrued. Rob and Akiva thought it was a bit of micromanaging to deconstruct that scene differently.

Amir emailed in to comment on how many ideas from this episode would pop up later in the series, like George not liking his voice and Bette Midler. Finally Chester emailed in to wonder why Sharon would be kissing Jerry if she just mentioned having a boyfriend a few days earlier. He also wondered why an NYU student would do an interview with a comedian she knew nothing about. Akiva thought that it wasn’t out of the ordinary for the pre internet times. Lastly, he wondered why a guy would be coming by so late to fix the phone.

Tune in next week as the guys will recap “The Old Man”. Send in your questions by emailing [email protected] . Don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast by going to where you can rate and review the podcast. And as always, you can follow them on twitter @robcesternino and @keev26.

Tune in next week as the guys will recap “The Outing”. Send in your questions by emailing [email protected]. Don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast by going to where you can rate and review the podcast. And as always, you can follow them on twitter @robcesternino and @keev26.

Special thanks to Mike Moore for this episode recap.

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  • Craig

    Ugh, another episode I would have loved to send questions in for but I ran out of time. Unfortunately I was without the use of my keyboard and mouse because I accidentally sent back the USB stick with my broken headset to the Best Buy. By the time I got it back it was too late.

    I haven’t finished listening yet, so I will post later on my thoughts after I have finished watching everything, but I will just end this post by saying what are the chances that this incredibly important episode in the shows history would come up not only when the show has become available on Hulu, but also on the same weekend that gay marriage becomes legal in all 50 states? Holy timing Batman

  • akiva wienerkur

    Here are my updates rankings:

    Somewhere in the top 9: The Contest
    10. The Bubble Boy
    11. The Boyfriend
    14. The Library
    15. The Outing
    28. The Parking Garage
    33. The Pick
    42. The Subway
    47. The Pony Remark
    48. The Limo
    51. The Pitch
    61. The Airport
    75. The Cafe
    78. The Ticket
    79. The Chinese Restaurant
    86. The Pen
    89. The Shoes
    90. The Visa
    93. The Wallet
    99. The Alternate Side
    101. The Deal
    102. The Cheever Letters
    103. The Movie
    107. The Nose Job
    110. The Trip
    114. The Virgin
    115. The Letter
    119. The Phone Message
    120. The Red Dot
    126. The Revenge
    134. The Pez Dispenser
    136. The Fix-Up
    138. The Watch
    141. The Good Samaritan
    143. The Opera
    146. The Parking Space
    147. The Keys
    149. The Tape
    151. The Suicide
    154. The Jacket
    155. The Seinfeld Chronicles
    156. The Busboy
    157. The Baby Shower
    158. The Truth
    159. The Note
    160. The Stake Out
    161. The Heart Attack
    162. The Apartment
    163. The Stranded
    164. The Statue
    165. The Ex-Girlfriend
    166. The Robbery
    167. The Stock Tip
    168. Male Unbonding
    169. The Dog

  • Only about five minutes in but I just wanted to share my experience at the Seinfeld Apartment in NYC this week for anybody who didn’t get a chance to go.

    I got there at 5:15 on Wednesday and it took just over an hour to get in. At 5:30 they actually surprised many folks and cut off the line so everybody could get in and out by 7. As I waited I noticed Kenny Kramer walking down the street. For the people that noticed him he would stop and get a picture but other than a handful not many did. As a super fan I did and asked for a picture and he gave me a brochure for his tour (which includes 3 testimonials none of which are really about the tour and one is by himself).

    After you pass giant walls of quotes you enter another line to get into the apartment set (since they only let a few in at a time so you can get good pictures). I saw Kramer’s door first and noticed a (Kenny Rogers) red light coming from the inside. This was my first clue of how detailed this experience was going to be. You could look in his peephole and it was a reverse peephole playing the clip of Kramer from the episode!

    Next I went into Jerry’s apartment. Thankfully I did not do a Kramer-esque entrance because if I did I am sure I would have broke the set like another fan did the next day. The apartment was amazing and so detailed! Magnets, bags of pretzels, Drake’s coffee cakes, The New Yorker Magazine! Even the VHS tapes were some of the ones he had (noticed the next day when I was watching an episode). I even noticed he had a CD of Will Smith’s “Big Willie Style” because as we know Jerry “got jiggy with it!” However, there was no Snapple in the fridge! Eh it’s “too fruity” anyways! Like the real set there was no bedroom and this hall funneled us to pose in front of a microphone and curtain just like the opening of most episodes.

    Next they had a bunch of props from the show including a giant brick wall that the cast/crew signed the day of the finale. Some of the props that were not in glass I’m sure were recreations (since some would be pretty weird to save). These included the wooden pyramid George was given when he tried holistic medicine, the Maestro’s broken wand, the dropped egg surrounded by cups and caution tape, The Tropic of Cancer book, the George photobombed photos, a Fusilli Jerry, a Tweetie Bird Pez Dispenser, a Frogger machine and the Festivus pole. The ones in glass included the oven mitt George wore when he was a hand model, Puddy’s Devils Jersey, an empty pretzel container from Monk’s, and the Superman statue.

    Finally, they had two pieces of furniture one of which you could take photos with. This one was the famous bench George and Kramer take the “art of seduction” photo on. As we came in I saw someone do it in their underwear like George and I joked with my friend that I would do that. He dared me to so yes, that picture is on the Internet somewhere. The other piece of furniture was behind rope and it was a Monk’s booth.

    As you leave you can grab posters and stickers with some of the series most famous quotes if you want but everybody got a mini box of Junior Mints. Overall it was a great experience especially for a super fan like me.

  • Gal Baum

    About the Pepsi ad.

    It wasn’t that bad… and at the end it’s some classic Israeli stand-up jokes (from a famous sketch, and from some old comedian)

    • Chlsea_1905

      thanks for the link

  • redbluegreen

    It is interesting to hear about this episode in the week of the SCOTUS ruling. At the time of the episode just having any gay representation on network primetime was enough for GLAAD awards to like it–though they are notorious for awarding the most mainstream shows/celebrities over the more progressive or positive media.

    In its historical context, the show isn’t that offensive, but in terms of gay representation the show is about straight people dealing with anxiety over sexuality–the gay characters are merely props for the story. (not a criticism of the show itself, but in terms of the ways visibility and representation has progressed.)

    And yes, the scene with the Monk’s manager is clearly supposed to show his intolerance, which I think is supposed to be funny in an outrageous way (like look at all these calamities that befall our leads.)

  • Craig

    You two should feel lucky with the people you share a birthday with. My birthday is today (June 30) and there is little notable people born on this day. The only real notable names are boxer/actor Mike Tyson, Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps, and actress Lizzy Caplan.

    The Seinfeld Scene It! question of the week sounds like it’s really going to be fun. That would be a great season ending podcast. I wish this game could be played amongst the commenters, but I doubt it because it would be so easy to just look up the facts. Unless it was done as a live periscope or something.

    I don’t find that I need to watch the episode to listen to this, because I have seen every episode about 20 times now, so I know them pretty much by heart.

    Kramer seems to always turn against his friends, and believes anything he reads in the press, but when his friends tell him things, like the statute, statue argument, he seems to always argue with what his friends tell him.

    Nixon was an ugly president, but he probably shouldn’t have gotten the presidency anyway. He only won the first time because, not to sound controversial here, but the only person who could have beaten him (Bobby Kennedy) was murdered, and he beat McGovern because he fooled the country into thinking that he and Kissenger were close on a peace settlement in the Vietnam War, and the country thought that the war would continue if they did not re-elect Nixon.

    This episode is really one of Seinfeld’s best. It’s an episode you can watch after 20 times and still find it funny. Jason Alexander puts in what may be his best start to end performance in this episode, and they pancake the entire episode with joke after classic joke. In what might also be the best example of how great this episode is, this is the first episode I can remember in a long time where Rob and Akiva kept mostly on the episode, and didn’t stray off to personal stories. If that is not an indoctrination on how great this episode is, I don’t know what is.

  • Suzi!

    They would never do this episode in today’s world, simply because Jerry is so averse to the idea, disclaimers or not.

  • Hornacek

    This must have been Rob Akiva’s least favorite episode so far (episode of the podcast, not the show) because they weren’t able to use their usual comments when reviewing a Larry Charles episode about how they are not “pure Seinfeld” episodes and are too weird and out there to be considered a classic episode. The Outing is definitely a classic and deserved all the praise they gave it. Seriously, listening to these episodes years later, watching one episode of the show a day, it’s comes across as very anti-LC. And this talk about “pure Seinfeld” – this is the 4th season of the show. It’s just as apt to say these first 4 seasons are “pure Seinfeld” as the last 4 seasons. In fact, I would not call the last seasons (without Larry David) “pure Seinfeld” so it would be just as apt to say that seasons 5-7 are not “pure Seinfeld” and that seasons “1-4” are.

  • Hornacek

    When the diner manager comes over and tells Jerry and George to keep it down, he turns his head and shows that he has an earring. I think the intention was to show that he was gay too and on their side, but that they had to keep it down.