Star Trek: Discovery | S 1, Ep #4 Recap, “The Butcher’s Knife Cares Not for the Lamb’s Cry” with Jon Krause

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“Star Trek: Discovery” Season 1, Episode 4 Recap of Β “The Butcher’s Knife Cares Not for the Lamb’s Cry” with Jon Krause

Rob Cesternino is joined by Jon Krause to discuss episode 4 of “Star Trek: Discovery”. Β Rob & Jon discuss the 4th episode of Season 1 of Discovery.

  • Tim Forbes

    I don’t think the Klingon stuff is that confusing and is at least somewhat interesting. Rob especially seems to have missed the majority of the stuff with the Klingons and obviously zoned out during most of those scenes. He missed that the captain was eaten, missed that there was a female Klingon and misinterpreted the final Klingon scene.

    • TrentC

      I miss the Klingon women from the older TV series and movies. They were frightening and hot.

  • have a feeling that some of these Klingons might end up as Worf’s ancestors after watching After Trek for this episode, not sure why, just a hunch because there are the two dilithium snatchers who look like they might be having some progeny down the line, and there is no specific date or data that i could find about when or how the house of Mogh started ??

  • ‘Star Trek: Discovery takes place … around 2255.’
    Star Trek: Discovery Timeline Breakdown

    ‘Mogh was a male Klingon who lived during the first half of the 24th century. He was the son of Worf. Upon Worf’s death in 2333, he became leader of the House of Mogh…’,_son_of_Worf

  • ‘Klingons were capable of living well over a century in age.’
    Comparative life spans [of a LOT of Star Trek people and stuff]

  • [TNG] ‘Worf was born in 2340 …’

  • ‘…Voq and L’Rell scavenge the dilithium processor from the Shenzhou…’

  • maybe the spores become: ‘…Bio-neural gel packs were a form of computer technology used by Starfleet and first developed in the early 2370s…’

  • ok gel packs were given to the federation by the Kropaslin:
    maybe the Kropaslin are somehow related to the water bear ??

    io9 Tries to Figure Out How Discovery’s Game-Changing Technology Could Actually Work

  • Janeway did a few jumps through space:
    a total of over 70,000 light years in various increments and episodes πŸ™‚

  • Hornacek

    When Lorca is talking to Stamitz and lists off great scientists/inventors throughout history (the Wright Brothers, Elon Musk, Zephran Cochran), that is a very common Trek trope where a character will be talking about a topic and will list off 2-3 examples throughout history – all but the last one will be ones that have actually happened/existed, and the last one will be a fictional one in our future.

    Rob and Jon wondered why Tilly told Burnham at the end of the episode to open the bequeathment from Captain Georgiou and if she had an ulterior motive. I think the simplest solution is that bag was beeping every 10 seconds – Tilly probably figured that beeping would drive her crazy and she either had to convince Burnham to open it or get rid of it.

    I didn’t notice Lorca’s “Go!” as his catch phrase. Maybe he only said it once but I found that “Get it done!” came off as his catch phrase. I think I read somewhere that they originally intended to have him say “Get ‘er done!” but realized that would come off as too much like Larry the Cable Guy.

    I’m glad Jon mentioned the albino Klingon (besides T’Kuvma do any of these Klingons have names that anyone remembers?) eating Captain Georgiou, which I found weird since I’m pretty sure in all the movies and TV shows we’ve never heard about Klingons eating the body of their fallen enemies. The way the female Klingon mentioned it, it came across as if the albino did that immediately after the battle was over as a form of celebrating his victory, and not due to those Klingons running out of food. I think Klingon cannibalism may be my biggest hangup in “unnecessary changes to the Klingons”, moreso than their physical appearance.

    I think the fact that we’re seeing the albino’s story through the show so far is a sign that his character’s journey may parallel Burnham’s throughout this season. I wouldn’t be surprised if the season ends with Burnham and the albino squaring off in a one-on-one physical battle, like Sisko and Dukat at the end of DS9

    • TrentC

      Speaking to the point of historical references, it always makes me mad how they skip about 300 years of history in the list. As you point out, they always list a few 20th century examples, then one future go-to like Cochran. Didn’t any other scientists do things in between A and B during their history?

      Also, wasn’t enthralled finding out that ‘Ripper’ is the new navigator. Coupled with the spore idea, it makes me think that in the ten years before Kirk and Spock come along, the idea was totally scrapped.

      • Hornacek

        i think in those type of lists, you usually choose the earliest one, then someone a bit later, then you realize “If I name every person this will take forever” so you skip ahead a few hundred years to one last one, which is from our future. I think in the DS9 episode where they find out Bashir is genetically engineered, the judge mentions two examples of genetic engineering gone mad, and one is Khan, who by our standards is in the past (the Eugenics wars of the 1990s).

        I think what Rob and Jon talk about will happen – by the end of the season/series, they will discover that the idea of using spores to travel is unsustainable, or the water-bear is a sentient creature that they can’t use like that – something to definitively explain why this type of travel is never used again.

        • TrentC

          Yeah I’d say people get hurt or the exploitation of the water bear somehow crashes the science of the jump-tech.

          Wanted to say before and forgot…Jon Krause is a good co-host for podcasts. Here, his love and knowledge of Star Trek is apparent. I find myself agreeing with a lot of his opinions.

    ‘One gateway had a range of over 70,000 light years..’
    several types of gateways or stargates have shown up in Star Trek…

  • Snuffeldjuret

    More Orville talk πŸ˜€ TBH it is more Star Trek than STD ^^.

    • Matthew Murphy

      The Orville is waaaaaay more enjoyable than STD. I’ve been to funerals since that were lighter then STD.

    • Glenn Jayasuriya

      Yeah the orville so far for me (watched 3 eps of both) is a lot better

  • wait, Q can do this gateway stuff anytime [any Q] and what about Wesley Crusher’s friend The Traveler ?? he could morph himself so maybe water bear is a type of Q or Traveler or a Caretaker ?? who ends up taking the technology away for some reason until TNG, sorry my knowledge of TOS is very limited…

    • TrentC

      Mr Chipoletti, your knowledge of TOS is limited?? Shame on you sir πŸ™‚

      In the original series Q was more of a god, son of gods to be exact, so maybe the water bear isn’t a close comparison. We just got another STD episode with some water bear developments and I don’t want to spoil the outcome here. Seems like a separate race unto itself.

      • yikes, TrentC, i did not even know that Q was in TOS !!

        oh yeah by ‘some type’ i did not mean exactly a Q or Traveler or Caretaker, just that the water bear does seem to have many similar super powers …

        cannot say shame does much for me πŸ™‚ shame did not work all that well in the many cultural settings that it was used or misused πŸ™‚

        even guilt is a sort of useless method to deal with criminally insane folks although guilt seems to have sustained many religions for centuries πŸ™‚

        • TrentC

          TOS is so story-centric, I assumed a gentleman with your breadth of Trek knowledge would have watched every episode a few times by now.

          Q, Khan, Harry Mudd…it all starts there πŸ™‚

          *and Jim Kirk dates every available alien female in the galaxy

          • yes it was Shatner Trek, nice guy but cannot watch every episode, did watch every Voyager 100 times, TNG 50, DS9 25, ENT 15 times, every movie once or more…probably saw every TOS on TV but forgot most of it, never heard of Q in TOS, maybe as some other name ??

          • TrentC

            Yes there was an episode from TOS titled the Squire of Gothos, where Jim and Spock met a person who called himself General Trelane. He had god-like powers and initially Kirk determined his powers came from machine behind a large mirror. Later in the episode Trelane moved a planet to stop the Enterprise and it was discovered that Trelane was the son of two gods and was caught being ‘naughty’ and had to leave.

            This was the supposed original Q, or precursor to Q from TNG. It depends on which fan you speak to.

          • yes i remember that episode !!

  • writers have often done cutesy things like Steinbeck in Wayward Bus gives the bus driver the name Juan Chicoy [same initials as Jesus Christ] and Star Trek DS9’s Julian Bashir [same initials as James Bond who Bashir imitates in a DS9 episode]

    now a retired writer, M Pilon suggests that Star Trek Discovery’s Shen Zhou [which has real life references: Shenzhou program, a manned spaceflight initiative by the People’s Republic of China; Shenzhou (spacecraft), spacecraft from China which first carried a Chinese astronaut into orbit in 2003; variously translated as “Divine Craft”, “Divine Vessel of God” – Wikipedia] has Michael [the Archangel] Burnham, and Gabriel [another archangel] Lorca…

  • Matthew Murphy

    Don’t think think we’ll be seeing a Vulcan mind meld from Michael Burham as she’s not a Vulcan. Real risky move making your protagonist a futuristic Rachel’s Dolezal.

    • Snuffeldjuret

      That was too funny :).

  • Buck Hondo

    I am finding the Klingon scenes challenging. I usually appreciate when a show or movie attempts to let the characters speak the language they would realistically be speaking, but the Klingons have a couple of problems baked-in. The facial prosthetics the actors wear severely limit their abilities to emote. It’s made even worse with the dental prosthetics making them all sound like they’re trying to talk with their mouths full of something. The other problem is the language itself. It doesn’t sound good. It’s not meant to, I know, but it’s tonally unpleasant, and the monosyllabic, lurching cadence makes it hard for an actor to get across any nuanced variations in their delivery, like a line delivered as a snide remark, or with skepticism. It just all sounds the same: slightly different tones of defiant, angry Klingon. Put all of that together, and a 3 or 4 minute scene of this stuff works better than Ambien.

  • ok it is THLINGON not KLINGON, NOT KLINGOT, NOT MISTER MOTT [the barber] IT IS CAPTAIN PICARD [almost caught in the baryon sweep] πŸ™‚