Star Trek: Discovery | S 1, Ep #5 Recap, “Choose Your Pain” with Jim Gibbons

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“Star Trek: Discovery” Season 1, Episode 5 Recap of  “Choose Your Pain” with Jim Gibbons

Rob Cesternino is joined by Jim Gibbons to discuss episode 5 of “Star Trek: Discovery”.  Rob & Jim discuss the 5th episode of Season 1 of Discovery.

  • Janeway advised her crew to kill any of their compatriots who had been assimilated by the Borg, because they would be better off dead than stuck as a drone…

  • Tim Forbes

    Agree with you guys that this was the best episode so far and the most like the old Star Trek. It was great that Stamets, Lorca and Saru all got to shine this episode as they are easily the best characters on the show right now. Jim was my favourite guest so far (Jon was good too).

    • Gregory Brown

      This was by far the worst episode. Characters in Star Trek don’t leave people behind in klingon prisons! Characters in Star Trek knockout or stun enemies. The don’t snap their necks!!!

      • TrentC

        Strangely…I felt a large disconnect after hearing the two F-bombs by the secondary cast members. I’m not a prude, it just took me out of the Star Trek world.

        Haven’t got to the podcast yet so I don’t know if our hosts highlighted this moment.

        • Matthew Murphy

          To be fair Trent, everything STD does takes you out of the Star Trek world. It’s sad how little they care about the series’ history,

          • TrentC

            I like the new captain. He’s got an edge and seems like a can-do type of leader.

            Still not sure on the Klingons as I’m used to one group or one culture. Clans are cool, their glam rock outfits help delineate the factions.

            I didn’t like the water bear progression. Star Fleet would have killed to replicate that instant jump tech and sliced the animal into lab slides. For a mutineer murderer, Burnham sure gets her way a lot.

          • Matthew Murphy

            I like Lorca. Burham is one of the worst protagonists I’ve ever seen. They screwed up everything, starting with the name. Klingons are brutal. This show should’ve been set after Voyager. Trying to fit this in as a prequel works about as well as the Star Wars prequels.

      • Hornacek

        “Characters in Star Trek knockout or stun enemies. The don’t snap their necks!!!”

        I think you missed the part where the Federation is at war with the Klingons.

  • bengal scott

    i’m thinking Tyler either served on or has loved ones who served on the USS Buran and is not a Klingon mole but out for revenge against Lorca

    • Charles Bikle

      Yeah I’m getting a “Manchurian Candidate” vibe from him.

  • Dr Q

    Great review, guys. One thing: there’s nothing over the top about Tyler going berserk on a Klingon captain that had been sexually abusing him for months. It felt very poignant. Also, he’s on board with Lorca after he says he blew up his ship is because he agrees death is preferable to Klingon captivity.


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  • Rob Punton

    The idiom is called ” close to the chest “. What does close to the vest mean? Vest is an American term for a waistcoat?

    Chest is universal, a waistcoat is rarely if ever used and then primarily by men. It’s a small thing but really annoying otherwise good job. Though i do feel like you are tougher on star trek than on any other show u cover.

    • Hornacek

      While both are actual expressions, “close to the vest” is more well known than “close to the chest” (and it’s older).

      It goes back to playing cards (probably in the old ancient west, where wearing a vest was very common), and keeping your cards close to your vest so that the other players couldn’t see what you had.

      • TrentC

        Keeping things close to your vest is the way I’ve heard it and from the same origin. Cards and old west card players.

        • Hornacek

          Personally, I’ve only heard the “chest” version a couple of times. I have heard the “vest” version many more times.

          • TrentC

            Kind of related. At one time I was going to compile a list of all of the idioms and sayings that Survivor players changed or butchered in passing. There was one just last night on the KIA’s – He’s on/in my good sheets now. (good books).

            Like the one we’re discussing, there are a fair amount of sayings that have morphed over the years too. I felt it was too close to being a grammar nazi, yet if you go through the seasons of Survivor, there’s one almost every episode.

          • Hornacek

            “in my good pages” is not and never should be a thing. It’s “in my good books”. Stop ruining expressions, millennials!!!

  • Hornacek

    Regarding humans not having enough … “parts” to engage with Klingons sexually, in the TNG episode “Ethics” where Worf’s spine is broken, Crusher says that Klingon anatomy is made up of multiple redundancies. I remember when it aired that many people in usergroups joking that Klingons probably had an extra … appendage

  • Jeff Spence

    This podcast is fun, I am enjoying it as much more than a lot of other PSR. However, I think Rob needs a podcast partner with a bigger knowledge base in terms of the Original Series, I have felt like they have gotten a fair amount of stuff wrong or just missed things that were put in to tie into it or to appeal to the fans.

  • Hornacek

    Apparently the list of previous captains that Saru looks at also includes Matt Decker from “The Doomsday Machine”.

  • it was the best of episodes, it was the worst of episodes 🙂 just happy to have an episode 🙂

  • Andrew

    Rob, I love ALL your podcasts and am very grateful that you are doing ST:D, but you need to better better informed on the original series or have a cohost who is better informed.
    ALL the captains listed on screen that SAru looked at should have been known to Star Trek fans.
    Robert April, Jonathan Archer & Christopher Pike were all Captains of the Enterprise. And Mathew Decker was the Captain of “The Constellation” which took on “The Doomsday Machine”. His son,Will Decker, was captain of the Enterprise before Kirk took it over again in “The Motion Picture”

    • Rick M

      Robert April is also the name Gene Roddenberry assigned to the Captain when he wrote his initial proposal for the original series back in 1964. Of course that proposal also states that Spock is probably half-Martian and the ship was called the Yorktown, so it’s not exactly canon.

  • Beefcake

    I do not watch this programme, but I love Jim Gibbons so much that I listened to the podcast anyways. I am glad I did.

    This podcast even makes me think aboot getting CBS All Access. . . .