The Walking Dead

Walking Dead Season 7, Episode 16 Recap | The First Day of the Rest of Your Life

  • James Griffin

    The Garbage People would have done much better in the, “Warriors”. My complaint would be the fight between Michonne and one of the Garbage people, felt like filler to me. Even though the fight scene was well done, the cry in the distance (in my opinion) was obviously the Garbage person, Thank you Rob, Josh and Alex for a great podcast, every week. I still enjoy the show, but it can be ridiculous, at time, and appreciate y’all calling the show for their, “stretch of the imagination”, sometimes. All the best!

  • tqcplaya20

    I have a feeling people will think Daryl’s idol find at the end of the episode was rigged. #didntknow

    • TrentC

      And he found it without a clue.

      • Andiamo

        They are in the South. Daryl Hantz?

        • TrentC

          Daryl is too tall and can spell his name. Not a Hantz.

    • Adam Bradford

      Like any good Southern boy, he’ll probably hand it over to a villain; my money is on Simon. Either that or he’ll simply not bring it to tribal.

  • DT73

    Well, I have just about had it with this show. I actually stopped watching last “season”. Okay, I will watch parts of the show with the sound down. Since the dialogue is so terrible, I supply my own. Once again, they failed to resolve the conflict with Negen and want to dangle it out there for the entire summer. Screw them. What is with this show anyway. Our survivors encounter various “people”, Alexandria people, Hilltop people, garbage people, ocean people, etc. What the producers forgot about was the AUDIENCE/VIEWER people. The “shoot-out” was terrible and all over the place. I call the ending “vignettes” smarmy. Just terrible.

    How did they film half of this stuff without spending the day laughing like crazy at the nonsense plot and script. I guess the tiger was safe from gunfire because it is a digital implant and bullets just go right through it???? Don’t get me wrong, 10 minutes of this podcast has more creativity in it than an entire season of WD, so I plan to continue to listen. I have to say, however, I think Rob and his co-hosts are holding back on being critical of this show. C’mon, this show has become formulaic, repetitive, unimaginative, silly, plagued with plot-holes and on and on.

    • Matthew P

      Buddy you are watching the walking dead not homeland, game of thrones, the wire or some other premium cable high quality scripted drama… If you cant take it for what it is, it is time to move on.. Its a zombie show lol

      • DT73

        Thanks for replying. I already have moved on, but like to check in from time to time to be disappointed.

        • Stylez

          clearly you haven’t moved on…. maybe you should reread what you wrote

          • DT73

            Yes, I got to thinking after I posted that “How could I have moved on if I still “like to check in from time to time'”. So, you are correct. I do think it is time to move on for real. There are too many other quality shows to check out. This one was dead and done about three seasons ago.

    • Adam Bradford

      I totally agree. This season has been just downright laughable; bad dialogue, bad acting, bad writing, bad special effects. To me, the only saving grace has been Negan; I might be in the minority, but I can’t get enough of Negan. I find him hilarious and aspire to be like him…minus all the murdering.

      • aardvarkratnik

        Yeah I agree, it always picks up the show for me anytime Negan shows up.

      • DT73

        Is it because this character actually gets some written dialogue?

    • aardvarkratnik

      You’re still watching. Who are you trying to kid?

      • DT73

        You do not have to “watch” this show in the traditional sense of being glued to your TV. Just the fact that they pound in a ridiculous number and length of commercials is enough to keep anyone from watching this from minute one until you are so sick of car commercials you are ready to vomit. So you can watch clips, read reviews, listen to podcasts and “watch” the show in this way. But yes, I am ready to give that up as well as this show pretty much sucks royally at this point.

    • Stylez

      They definitely arent holding back, they have both been critical in the past. Just because they don’t share the same view as you doesn’t mean they aren’t expressing their true opinion. I would recommend you just stop watching.

      • DT73

        In my post: “I actually stopped watching last season.” I think they are not saying what they really think of the show to maintain fan relations. I think they actually think the show has devolved into formulaic drivel.

  • belinda

    Yeah definitely. It’s just so lazy of the show to have completely forgotten that Sasha had a brother and a older bf she was both very close with, just because they haven’t been around in the immediate past. Poor D’angelo and Cutty.

    And the fact that Rick is such a moron it makes Negan, the supposed most dangerous threat in town, look even stupider. Like honestly, why are these two people leaders when they’re basically both the worst. They’re both doing such goofy stupid things that I don’t understand why people are following either of them really.

  • Morty

    Awhile back, I took Rob to task for a recap that was a bit too whiny/bitchy over that episode, and I’ve often thought he expects the show to be more substantive than it intends to be, a semi-campy zombie show. He doesn’t seem to just take it for what it is. Tonight, I agreed with him wholeheartedly, and I actually thought he and Alex went easy on it.

    My only thoughts throughout the show veered from how lame a scene was to how ridiculous one was and back again. This may have been the worst overall episode yet in the entire series to me. I’m not sure I’ll watch Season 8. I fully expect a 2-hour Enid backstory episode.

    The 1st half dragged, the scavengers are a wasted plot stunt, and the final battle had as much realism…even for a campy TV show…as a bunch of toddlers running around with pink pistols shouting “bang!” Most shows at least make a pretense of having combatants display some semblance of suggestion of tactical awareness, but not this one. Rob’s point about everyone standing in the open ineffectually spraying lead from assault rifles in every direction from 20 feet away when no one had cover was spot-on! It was action, but it was stupid, too.

    That said, Sasha charging out of the coffin in zombie make-up did make me laugh in approval, though. Call me a bad person, but I kinda hoped Negan would put Coral out of our misery before the rampaging toddler and tiger attack. Sigh…

    I’ll likely watch it next year…but I’m wondering why. I’ll chalk it up to being retired and having time on my hands, I guess.

    • TrentC

      What I didn’t understand was when everyone finally arrived, how in the hell do you figure out who is part of which faction in that huge Alexandria gunfight? I’m sure Daryl was spraying lead from that cool popgun in all directions.

      • DT73

        Were you thinking as you watched this, as I did, maybe they should have had uniforms?

        • TrentC

          Large name tags.

    • Adam Bradford

      The problem is, when watching The Walking Dead, it’s easy to compare it to Game of Thrones which has far superior writing. It doesn’t help that TWD has steadily declined the last couple of seasons.

      • DT73

        It would not be so bad but TWD occaisionaly shadows some of the GOT conflicts.

      • DT73

        By the way, there is no way you can even begin to compare GOT to TWD.

    • XmanIce

      I was definitely bummed that not a single semi major Negan bad guy got killed. The writers could’ve have given us Simon or Jadis or anyone we recognized.

      • DT73

        I was looking for them to finalize the “arc” with Negen. I was hoping for their version of “Battle of the Bastards”. But no, they want to stretch that out over another season.

      • aardvarkratnik

        I think Negan and Rick should team up to take out the garbage people, that would make me happy.

        • XmanIce

          That would be an entertaining episode!

    • DT73

      I agree. I liked your description of the shoot out. This episode, after thinking about it for awhile had so many problems….

    • Stylez

      Ugh you are the worst type of commentor. We don’t care whether or not you are going to watch next season. Such a thinly veiled threat. We both know you will be watching.

  • Riley Wigmore

    Sorry Rob, but I’m gonna have to go a bit hard on you here. The reason Maggie was going back so far in the speech, was that she was talking about how Glenn started all of this, the group. Glenn saved Rick, and Rick brought everyone together that led them to now. Then, somewhere in late S4 I believe, Glenn saves Sasha’s life, which eventually leads to Sasha’s final act of saving everyone in tonight’s episode. So basically, Maggie’s speech was about how Glenn saved them even after he was dead. Hence her holding the pocket watch that was tied to Glenn’s character. She was honoring Sasha, as well as honoring their past that had led them to now while she was able to really eulogize both her husband and her friend. The finale as an episode seemed to be trying to honor both characters killed in the premiere, Abraham through Sasha’s dream/memories, and Glenn through Maggie’s final speech. I think your hatred of Maggie was just blinding you to a thoughtful speech honoring the character of Glenn.

    • Fair points. It just seemed like this became more about a eulogy for Glenn than a speech about Sasha

      • Jimmy B

        It wasn’t a eulogy, though. It was a conversation between Maggie and Rick, that only we the audience could hear. She wasn’t saying it to the crowd, we didn’t hear anything Maggie, Rick or the King were saying to those people. I assume that was just a victory/the worst is yet to come/we can do it speech from the three leaders of each group. What we hear was Maggie telling Rick why she came back, it wasn’t about Sasha.

        Oh and the Garbage people are absolutely the worst. I hope they all die next season.

    • Andiamo

      I appreciate the idea of bringing it all full circle, but it did feel more like a series finale than a season finale. Personally, Maggie is one of my favorite characters, but the sunset and the music was all a little to corny for my taste too.

  • Lynn

    I get why Sasha killed/sacrificed herself but couldn’t she have accomplished the same outcome alive? She could have jumped out when Negan opened the casket & knocked him down to the ground long enough to cause the same distraction? Yes..walker Sasha did bite one of his guys & she probably would’ve gotten shot or something anyway but why not take that chance?

    • Andiamo

      Ultimately she didn’t want to be used against her people. She knew they would have blown their whole plan to save her, and she also didn’t want them to feel like her death was on their hands. Basically, staying alive was too risky.

      • Lynn

        Very true…good point.

        • Andiamo

          On the plus side, it wasn’t a total loss. She didn’t get Negan, but I think she took out “Veggies” guy.

          • Lynn

            Yes, she got a good bite out of him!

    • Adam Bradford

      I agree, feels like she could have controlled the situation better being alive; maybe she could have even finished the job on Negan. The question is: is zombie Sasha stronger than human Sasha?

      • Lynn

        I think human Sasha definitely! Didn’t walker Sasha only kill like one person? Human Sasha has killed multiple walkers & her most recent Negan guys at The Sanctuary. But if you base it only on trying to kill Negan, they are tied 0-0!!

  • TrentC

    I enjoyed the last 15 minutes. Yes it degenerated into Gunfight at the OK Corral and I agree with the points brought up here. Bullets flying everywhere, people and tigers not dying.

    I agree with Rob. Not one major character gets killed in the gunfight. Rick is shot, then thrown off the tower to the pavement, and he rolls out of it. Negan monologues for so long, it allows people to live! Did The Kingdom and The Hilltop people even speak to Alexandria before showing up fashionably late? Again, some simple communication would help all concerned. Lots of unknown faces during that last firefight.

    My two complaints – When Rick met the Garbage People, he immediately saw them as friends. Did he even ask the three questions? They threw him in a pit with a walker and he still took them into his confidence. That’s when things start to feel fake to me. They needed the Garbage People for a betrayal and forced the situation. Any other season, Rick would have been at least paranoid.

    And poor Sasha. No offense to her character but this episode was an open love letter to her. Glenn and Abraham didn’t get multiple flashbacks, touching voice overs and inspirational music. Maggie’s speech kind of echoed something I said. They do well as a group…so communicate and start acting like one!

    Although heavy handed and stupid at times, I enjoyed the finale more than most of the other episodes throughout the season. The Walking Dead used to be so good at giving us a tone of overall dread, hopelessness and shock at times. Seems like those days are gone in favor of unbelievable actions and people. I’m still in for the future, but will the show last?

    • Andiamo

      The Garbage people story really is a bridge too far. Jadis told them straight up their philosophy is “We take, we don’t bother,” yet he trusts them immediately and expects them to fight a war they have no personal stake in? And hands them a cache of guns to boot?

      He also barely tries to get Oceanside to fight when they would be much better allies, and tells Maggie and Hilltop to stay home as some kind of back up plan?

      I’m curious about the communication. Do they have a way to contact Hillside or The Kingdom? Dwight told them at night that Negan was coming the next day, so how did any of this come together?

      When did Jadis tell Negan about the explosives? She only saw it that morning, yet the Saviors knew to open the back of the truck.

      Isn’t Negan wondering why Rick and co. were prepared for them to show up?

      I was trying to just enjoy it, I didn’t even mind the Shiva Ex Machina moment, but so many plot holes it was tough.

      • TrentC

        Your Garbage people vs Oceanside people is a very good point. Garbage folks get immediate approval, Oceanside folks get bombs and threats.

        I was wondering about the truck bomb knowledge as well. Does Jadis have two cans with an extremely long piece of string? How else would Negan’s people know about the bomb that quickly?

        And I guess Gregory is the little bird who told Negan that Rick was planning something?

        Timing is so crucial in that world. To paraphrase – The one eyed man who has a watch with batteries must be king…

        Shiva Ex Machina lol! ….yes, the tiger was fun and is trained not to kill main characters.

        • Andiamo

          I think Tamiel was the little bird. The tin can phone is probably as reasonable as anything I can come up with, which is pretty sad.

          Since Negan didn’t know Maggie was alive, that at least shows that Gregory didn’t rat her out.

          On the positive side, the Garbage people left their garbage trucks and bicycles behind when they ran home. So now they can have weekly garbage pick up in Alexandria, and can have a paper route should anyone want to start a newspaper.

          If the one eyed man with a watch is king…Hello King Carrrrrl!

          • TrentC

            Didn’t they mention Gregory at one point being involved with the Saviors? I could of misheard that.

            Rob saying the garbage trucks were like clown cars was most humorous.

            King Carl just about made me proud when he started firing and when he was talking tough to Negan. Got a question though – He can’t get a dart on the board yet he’s shooting a gun. Don’t the two activities have the same requirements? I imagined that Carl was shooting and all of the Alexandrians to the left were yelling – Hey Carl you’re hitting us, stop that!!

          • Andiamo

            Gregory told Simon about a potential uprising at Hilltop but nothing about Rick. I don’t know if he really knew anything about the bigger plans. Gregory also asked Cal to take him somewhere. It was implied that it’s to the Sanctuary, but we don’t really know. I don’t remember anything else connecting them.

            I think that was just a fake out so we would think he was the little bird and not expect the garbage people betrayal.

            I actually liked King Carl this episode! But yeah putting the one-eyed kid on the front lines with a gun doesn’t make a ton of sense. Lol at them all ducking whenever he takes aim.

            To be fair, I still think he’s a better shot than Michonne.

          • TrentC

            You noticed Michonne’s conflict degenerated into a fist fight?

            Broad side of barn = you’re always safe.

          • Andiamo

            The whole time I was thinking, “How is Michonne not destroying this little garbage chick?”

            Why are they taking Michonne’s badassery away from her? Was it all just a magic katana?

          • TrentC

            You’ve read my mind again. It was like she’s never punched anyone and I guess because she’s so good with the katana, I expected some form of competence in a hand to hand exchange.

            Almost refreshing in a way. I’ve become angry watching some shows, because the person/vampire/werewolf starts using some complex martial arts moves like it was some innate ability.

            That swollen eye of hers looked pretty bad. Her and Carl can have a darts tournament now while Rick hides out downstairs.

          • Andiamo

            That’a a fair point. Why would she know how to fight. Then again why would she know how to use a katana? Why would she know how to turn her friends into a walker security system? Because she’s Michonne, damnit!

            It’s good that she’s “softer” and more open as a person, but I don’t want them making her weaker.

            Oof that eye gave me a Glenn flashback for a second.

          • TrentC

            It’s nice to know that other viewers have the same morbid scenes play through their heads. I thought she had lost an eye for a second and would have to stand in line with Carl for the daily patch. You’re right though. There’s something about Michonne that says she should be able to fight.

            Speaking of morbid and Carl, for a microsecond I thought Negan was going to give him ‘his best shot’ with Lucille.

            When Rick was a prisoner of the Claimers, the guy only had to hint at abusing Carl and Rick was chewing out the dude’s throat. (one of my favorite scenes)

            In this episode we see Negan outright telling Rick he’s going to bash his son’s head in and kill him, what does Rick do? He insults and threatens Negan saying – I don’t care. Rick’s parenting strategies have changed over the years.

          • Andiamo

            Glenn, Carl, Denise, and now Michonne, I don’t know what this show has against eyeballs. Hopefully it gets her off sniper duty for a while at least.

            I really thought Carl might get it too. That scene went on for so long I had a whole conversation with myself. “Would they really do that? No. Maybe. But I just started liking Carl today. Eh, I’m still okay with it. Oh they’re really doing it…” Enter Shiva.

            I don’t know if you saw the Talking Dead, but they were talking about Rick’s response in the first episode of the season compared to now. Scott Gimple said that Rick is so confident that they have to fight, no matter what, that he really thought they would get out of it.

            I didn’t really see the logic. I get the confidence about not backing down, but why he would think they would get out of it made no sense. But maybe Gimple’s weird logic is why a lot of this episode made no sense.

          • TrentC

            I just watched it. Mr Gimple doesn’t even know which season he’s writing for?

            They certainly gave Sasha a nice send off. Is Hardwick serious? He really figures the fans don’t know they are actors on a show, not real people dying?

            Cesternino > Hardwick

            At least when there’s a goofy episode of Survivor, Rob calls out the inconsistencies while still supporting the franchise. Hardwick is a funny guy and I enjoy his show, but asking Jeffrey Dean Morgan questions like – Was Negan surprised when Sasha jumped out of that coffin? – seems like a bit of a waste.

    • Adam Bradford

      I don’t mind it, but how did both The Kingdom and Hilltop get into Alexandria and the jump on the Saviors without any of the Saviors seeing them. Surely with the situation at hand they had to have 360 degree security around Negan. So many logic gaps in TWD walking makes it hard to enjoy it.

      • TrentC

        This plays into my nitpick about how do they know who is fighting for what side.

        You bring up a good point. Negan’s people see crowds of other people descending on Alexandria. Do they fire immediately?

        • Adam Bradford

          I think the moment I see a giant tiger in the distance I’m briskly walking backwards while firing until the very last bullet has been fired.

          • TrentC

            Briskly yes, lol

      • WHATROBWILLNOTSAY

        Alexandria logistics have been a problem ever since the truck horn heard from three days journey away.

    • DT73

      No.

  • sunny

    I realize the show should be campy fun and it’s about zombies so how realistic should we expect anything to be but I can’t stand things like none of our guys getting taken out in the gun fire. and the tiger is too ridiculous for me. i really just keep watching to see how it all plays out, i.e. how everyone dies in the end.

    how far behind the comics is the tv show at this point?

    • jan

      Comics released 165 issues so far. I think TV show is right now at issue 120.

      • sunny

        thanks!

  • Megan

    I was HYPED after this finale to be honest. Yeah, the first half was pretty slow but oh man I was getting chills during some of those battle scenes! And the ending I was almost in tears! This is honestly the best I’ve felt about The Walking Dead in a long time!

  • Andiamo

    The one thing that could’ve worked well was the reveal of Sasha as a walker, but the way they shot it took all the suspense away from the moment.

    First, the cold open shows Sasha dying in the coffin. She closes her eyes and her earbuds fall out. Then, in case anyone missed it, right before Negan opens the coffin we get a flashback to Sasha taking the pill.

    I didn’t expect that was how it would end for Sasha, it was a cool idea, but they ruined it, and I have no idea why.

    • Charles Bikle

      Scott Gimple is a pretty lackluster writer on a show that just tries to play it safe.

      I really believe that if Frank Darabont had stayed with the show, we would have something very different and much more epic.

      • TrentC

        This is left field, I also find when Gimple and the guy who plays Dwight are on The Talking Dead, they suck all of the air out of the room with each response. Gimple attempts dry humor and it’s like his scripts, a whole lot of gravitas and not much oomph.

        • Lynn

          Totally agree about Gimple. He is so boring to watch on the Talking Dead. I would love to see walker Gimple on TWD & they could kill him giving the fans some satisfaction when we don’t like his writing!

      • Lynn

        I agree 100% about Frank Darabont!

  • Charles Bikle

    I think all the Sasha-focus was more for the actress and the cast than for the viewing audience.

    Flashbacks should have been fewer/shorter and that time should have been added to the slightly anticlimactic final battle.

    • Andiamo

      Yea it’s a good point. They never really fleshed out her character enough to make me care about her. They tried to cram it in the last couple of episodes, but in the end it seems like we’re supposed to care about her dying because the other characters/cast care.

      • XmanIce

        I think they did flesh out her character but after Bob died they gave her very little screen time and made her crazy for a long time. Then I just never cared about her again.

        • Andiamo

          I guess thinking back she did have more going on with Tyrese’s death and Blue Sky Bob. I was just never really drawn in by her story.

        • TrentC

          I miss Bob-B-Q!

    • Morty

      I thought the exact same thing. You should have seen The Talking Dead; you would have thought Carl WAS beheaded…or Rick killed! I liked the Sasha character, and it’s a bummer she’s gone, but the fact is that she was a mid-tier character who started mid-series.

      So, the same thing occurred to me. SMG must have been really beloved by the cast and crew to get such an overly maudlin send-off.

      • Adam Bradford

        Was I the only one rooting for Carl to be beheaded?

        • Morty

          Nope!

        • DT73

          I would be arguing for the writers of this show to be decapitated.

        • aardvarkratnik

          I would have liked to have seen his hat get it at least. That hat has to go.

    • Tom Palmer

      Right, I was thinking about the characters in tiers. Sasha’s a pretty solid B-Tier Character. I could see dedicating an episode to her death like Tyrese, but not a season finale.

      • Adam Bradford

        Maybe low level B-Tier, borderline C. If she didn’t have this huge death episode, I think I would have put her in the C-Tier.

        A: Rick, Daryl, Michonne, Carol, Negan Former: Glenn, Shane
        B: Maggie (pending A), Morgan, Eugene Former: Abraham, Tyreese, Dale, Andrea, Merle, Herschel, Governor, Sasha
        C: Jesus (pending B), Ezekiel (pending B) Carl, Rosita, Tara, Aaron, Father Gabriel, Simon Former: Lori, Beth, Deana
        D: Heath, Dwight, Gregory, Jerry Former: Bob, T-Dog, Spencer, Noah, Denise, Jessie/Sam
        F: Tobin, Judith, Eric Former: Lizzie and Mika, Olivia, Nicholas
        Z: Enid/Jadis

        • TrentC

          The Walking Dead : Game Changers

          power rankings

  • Lynn

    We all know Rick could have easily knocked that gun right out of Jadis’ hand after the walker Sasha distraction! After all, this is the same Rick that took a bite out of a guys neck (Joe from the Claimers) & killed him a few seasons ago. All I know is I don’t know if there is a character in a long time I’ve disliked as much as Jadis!

    • Adam Bradford

      Seriously!!! Dude’s a former police officer and a badass who once ripped someone’s throat out with his teeth, he couldn’t have gotten the jump on weirdo Jadis!?

    • Morty

      Yep. She was letting him spin around to watch things, was distracted herself, and her gun was within easy arm’s reach of Rick, who has experience and even LE training in disarming others. That all adds up to easily disarming her, yet the show doesn’t even make the effort.

  • Tom Palmer

    I am by no means a comic purist, and I’m cool with them making Michonne and Rick a couple, but just because Michonne is taking Andrea’s place romantically doesn’t mean she has to take over her sniper duties too. Michonne is a samurai, not a sniper, and it makes no sense to try and pidgeon hole her into that role just because Rick’s love interest in the comics was a sniper.

    • Adam Bradford

      I agree, I’m finding it very bizarre too that they’re all of a sudden making the most elite close-combat fighter into their sniper. Maybe if Michonne had sniper skills to begin with, but she’s clearly struggled in the role. You would think someone like Daryl who has been hunting with rifles his whole life would have been a better fit.

  • Adam Bradford

    Not a big fan of Rob saying “God damn”, but holy crap cakes has the usage never been more warranted; I HATE JANIS AND THE GOD DAMN GARBAGE PEOPLE!!!

    • Andiamo

      Holy crap cakes is always a good choice though 😉

  • Charles Bikle

    The whole added Jadis & the Garbage People subplot just makes Rick look dumb, as he and his allies almost got Negan even with the Garbage dorks betraying them.

    So much time/effort was spent getting them guns and it led to nothing.

    • TrentC

      This is the point that aggravated me and took me out of the immersion.

      “It’s just a zombie show, you can’t criticize the logic.” Is something that’s repeated here in various versions. And I disagree.

      A large new faction is introduced (Scavengers), and Rick hardly bats an eye, acts completely different towards them than we’ve come to expect from his character. Then when that entire new plot point plays an integral role (Scavengers betray Rick’s group), it’s kind of jarring and only makes sense as an obvious writing device.

      I don’t need Breaking Bad or The Wire level of scripting for TWD, but when characters suddenly go against their core values, it feels forced.

      As fans we need to let go of a certain amount of logic while watching fantasy/horror, I get that. Conversely, if something doesn’t ring true or just comes off as contrived, it makes it that much harder to let go.

  • XmanIce

    The Sasha close-ups were very disturbing. I had no idea what was going on, but I knew it couldn’t be what it looked like. But still ewww!

  • XmanIce

    I’m probably one of the few who do not want any of our people to die, except Rosita and sometimes Carl.. and Morgan. I read that some of you want it for realism, but I don’t get it.
    Anyway, I do think the group will take Eugene back if he’s still alive when this is over. Like Alex said, they already know Eugene is a coward and to be honest, living at Negan’s place is pretty sweet compared to our group this entire series. Eugene didn’t want to be taken by Negan, that was ALL Rosita’s fault.
    But if Eugene sabatoges or otherwise gets in our groups way, then he deserves whatever punishment he gets.

    • homertownie

      I have to think that Eugene will do something big that will save the Alexandrians and thereby earn his way back into the group.

  • XmanIce

    Oh, and I think the Jadis/Negan deal was about 12 cantalopes. Actually 10 since Jadis doesn’t quite understand how to negotiate.

  • Corey Shaw

    What about Dwight? Thoughts??
    and yes the garbage people are the WORST!!!

    • Andiamo

      I love that they didn’t leave it up in the air whether or not Dwight was lying. It’s more interesting to find out how he’ll help, not if he will. Plus they desperately need Dwight’s info since Rick still has no idea where these other outposts are or how the Saviors are structured. How was he seriously going to go to war without this?

      Dwight was one of the few bright spots of this episode for me. I’m
      probably most interested in how his and Eugene’s stories play out next
      season.

  • homertownie

    I don’t mind the nit-picking in good fun for a while, but the commentors that go off on vapid nit-picking and complaining about pacing just need to get a life. The show has its own way of telling a story — with comic-book type images and overly dramatic story telling — and complaints that it “should” do it some other way are just ridiculous fan fiction.

    Sure the “villain giving a long speech” before killing someone is unrealistic, but you wouldn’t want a Bond story without one. If you have to have “realism” in your TV show, then why are you even watching a zombie show?

    It is much more fun to enjoy the story and how it is told than it is to constantly re-write it to fit your personal stereotypes and tropes. First try to understand and enjoy what these talented people are doing. Then you can claim that but-for your lack of any job or fiction writing in your lifetime, that you are somehow a better story writer.

    Have your fun with the anachronisms, but if it ruins the show for you, then go watch something else.

    https://youtu.be/gHOWmRoh568

    • Charles Bikle

      BOOOOO !!!!!

    • Charles Bikle

      Howsabout you let people voice their opinions on what they think of the show; whether it’s good or bad and, if you don’t like how they voice those opinions, maybe go listen to a different podcast ?

    • Adam Bradford

      I only complain because, at least in my opinion, the show at one time had pretty solid writing and seemed pretty realistic (minus the zombies). Over the last two seasons though, it seems to have gotten quite a bit worse. I think the people have valid complaints, especially in this day in age when there is some really great writing in TV. I think most just know that this show could be really great, but is now failing to live up to that potential. But hey, at least it still hasn’t gotten as bad as Fear the Walking Dead lol.

      • homertownie

        Yes, “Fear the Walking Dead” is the perfect example of “be careful what you wish for”.

        I think you need to appreciate what the writers did before you have standing to say you know better. Too many people say “I don’t understand why…” and then re-write the show. If you don’t understand, then spend your time trying to understand the professionals.

        Most people want the show to move fast, but that also means the show would have run ahead of the the comic books three years ago. I would rather they mine all the material that they have then run through it lightly and quickly. The “boring” episodes pay off in character development in the long run, and the different pacing is much better than the same pace every week.

        • DT73

          Most long time fans “understand” that the writing on this show as described by A. Bradford has deteriorated. Not enough time and space to delineate why this is because we are busy moving on to other shows which are written much better.

      • DT73

        Agreed.

  • Matt Racine

    thanks for recapping the season. the podcasts are always entertaining. I bailed on the actual show after the season’s first episode but followed along with the podcast. looking forward to binging it all once it is available on netflix. I find the show a lot more enjoyable without having to wait weeks before touching on certain storylines. I hope next season they don’t jump around as much and keep the core group together as much as possible. anywho, great work Rob, Josh and Alex. I’ll be back next season 🙂

  • TP222

    I really hate the show now, but will finish it because I am invested.

  • Matthew Murphy

    I think Negan was just paying tribute to the Undertaker with the coffin, knowing his last match was on the same night. I think he’s probably a big wrestling fan as Mick Foley has a barbed wire bat named Barbie. Sorry to spoil next season’s 90 minute Negan flashback episode.

  • XmanIce

    Rob is right, why doesn’t someone (NOT Rosita obviously) just shoot Negan during his long ass monologues? Even if he weren’t a bad guy I still think he’s worth shooting just for that.

  • DT73

    Did anyone recognize the actress playing Jadis from a Jack Ketchum movie entitled “The Woman”?

  • Asher Forrester

    Honestly guys….I don’t think I would have survived this season without you guys watching along. All the belly laughs and fun came from this podcast. The show is just not the same anymore….sometimes I even question myself why I still watch it….then I remember this podcast….and you remind me why~~ >__<

    Can't wait for June so we can continue with FEAR – Strand and the rest of the gang – after this season of TWD I wonder what other great plans they have in store for us on that show!! I'm excited~

  • WHATROBWILLNOTSAY

    How does the Tiger identify the enemies from the allies?

  • WHATROBWILLNOTSAY

    Sasha’s death was wasted.
    She was a great character. This was the worst use of her.
    The I will become a walker and hurt Negan plan was ridiculous, but as Rob points out transporting her in the coffin to begin with was more ridiculous.

  • TrentC

    I wonder how different things could have been if Michonne kicked the ever lovin crap out of Jadis when she made the – Let’s share Rick comment?

    Okay, I don’t like Jadis and hope Negan gets tired of her entire group. They must smell bad, right?

    • Asher Forrester

      LOL Rick’s face in that scene was priceless!!

      I’m sure if they ever do meet again next season Michonne will chop her head off and feed it to Shiva! >_<

      • TrentC

        And since Michonne almost got killed by the other Scavenger (was that Tamiel?), I’m sure you’re right. First time Michonne sees Jadis IT’S ON BABY!

        I bet if Rick was honest…for one second…he pictured having a threesome with Jadis and Michonne. The zombie apocalypse has some benefits I guess…

        • Asher Forrester

          Hmmmmm….I don’t know about that….Rick’s probably thinking (with that facial expression) that he’d for sure get eaten alive getting stuck in the middle of that sandwich!! LOL

  • Asher Forrester

    I’m beginning to suspect the original 12 person deal that Jadis made with Negan might have been for a massive orgy she was planning for herself! LMFAO
    I mean….why 12, not 120? then it went down to 10?? What else could it have been for other than a massive orgy?? xDDD

    If it was for her to strengthen her Garbage Army….wouldn’t it make more sense to at least ask for 50 and more? It’s not like Negan doesn’t have those numbers. 12 then 10 just sounds ridiculous I laughed so hard my stomach ached~~ >__<

    However, nothing could beat the 12 cantelope deal though~ That's still at the top of my most ridiculous moments in Walking Dead History!! =D

  • Ian Pottinger

    I have just one question. Does Rob think Jadis, too, has a “punchable face”?

  • Is there still gonna be a feedback show this week?